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excluding tags from search results

Thu, 15 May 2008 22:40:43 -0000

question |request |searching |tags | post by aquadragon1984 on 2008-05-15

Is there any way to exclude tags from a search? The more I use diigo, the more I find I need this--for instance, bookmarks from tag A but not tag B (ie, not also tagged B--to get a list of items tagged A, Tagged A and C, etc., but not A and B). The only option I can find in the advanced search is to exclude the word B everywhere--but I want some pages with the word B in them--just not if they are tagged B. Am I making sense?

If there is not currently a way to do this, I really hope one is implemented--as I said, it would be really useful.
post by aquadragon1984 on 2008-05-15
+1!
It's *exactly* the feature I miss the most in every tagging environment, Google, delicious, whatever.
Logical operations ("and", "and not", "or") seems to me such an obviously handy, no not handy, *needed* feature when working with tags that I'm really surprised it's ignored by almost all developers.
The only service I found that implements this is Simpy - which has however its minuses on other features -, and in Google mail and bookmarks you can use the search field to write a proper search string (but this is quite far from being an elegant solution...).
post by emarsk on 2008-09-24
Yes, there is a way to exclude tags from search results. The advanced search is somewhat hidden now. It used to be more easily accessible in previous versions of Diigo. See this reply here from me to find out how to get to the advanced search:
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/how-do-i-search-for-bookmarks-with-tag1-or-tag2-or-tag3-5139

Once you are in the advanced search field, you can use boolean operators.

For example, if you would like to get results that contain tag A and B but not tag C, then you could achieve this by any of the following methods:

a) Write tag:(tag A AND tag B NOT tag C) in the advanced search field and click "Search".
b) Open the collapsible menu by clicking on "Advanced" next to the "Search" button.
Then enter into the field named "with the words in Tags":
tag A and tag B NOT tag C
and click "Search".

Note that if you use multi-word tags, you have to use quotation marks in your search too. I didn't use those in the above examples because tag A, tag B, tag C can be anything.
post by ollitolli on 2008-09-27
Thank you so much! You really helped me out. I don't know how I missed the fact that we coulod use boolean operators. ^^;

Oliver S. wrote:
> Yes, there is a way to exclude tags from search results. The advanced search is somewhat hidden now. It used to be more easily accessible in previous versions of Diigo. See this reply here from me to find out how to get to the advanced search:
> http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/how-do-i-search-for-bookmarks-with-tag1-or-tag2-or-tag3-5139
>
> Once you are in the advanced search field, you can use boolean operators.
>
> For example, if you would like to get results that contain tag A and B but not tag C, then you could achieve this by any of the following methods:
>
> a) Write tag:(tag A AND tag B NOT tag C) in the advanced search field and click "Search".
> b) Open the collapsible menu by clicking on "Advanced" next to the "Search" button.
> Then enter into the field named "with the words in Tags":
> tag A and tag B NOT tag C
> and click "Search".
>
> Note that if you use multi-word tags, you have to use quotation marks in your search too. I didn't use those in the above examples because tag A, tag B, tag C can be anything.
post by aquadragon1984 on 2008-09-27
That would be good news, but I just tried the feature and it's buggy: the results are correct, I think, but only a subset of the related tags is shown, and it doesn't work with tags starting with "-".
And even if it worked it would fall into my "inelegant solution" category.
To be really useful it should be implemented as buttons aside the related tags, the same way "AND" is currently managed (of course boolean constructors in the search field would be a nice plus, anyway).
post by emarsk on 2008-09-28
I would also just like to add my support for this feature as I've also talked with someone who felt this feature was important.

To be honest, I'm not sure whether a full export or this feature is the most sought after feature I've heard but both definitely seems to be must haves especially for a service as feature full as Diigo where people expect more powerful ways to handle all the data that they have saved.

Ellen H. wrote:
> Is there any way to exclude tags from a search? The more I use diigo, the more I find I need this--for instance, bookmarks from tag A but not tag B (ie, not also tagged B--to get a list of items tagged A, Tagged A and C, etc., but not A and B). The only option I can find in the advanced search is to exclude the word B everywhere--but I want some pages with the word B in them--just not if they are tagged B. Am I making sense?
>
> If there is not currently a way to do this, I really hope one is implemented--as I said, it would be really useful.
post by moshler on 2008-09-28
Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
> That would be good news, but I just tried the feature and it's buggy: the results are correct,
> I think, but only a subset of the related tags is shown, and it doesn't work with tags starting with "-".

Hmmm, I couldn't reproduce the problem with the results only showing a subset of related tags, which of course doesn't mean that a different set of tags can cause that problem.

Another thing: Can you give me an example of a tag starting with a hyphen? I can't think of one, because I only have hyphens within tags but never in front of them.

> And even if it worked it would fall into my "inelegant solution" category.
> To be really useful it should be implemented as buttons aside the related tags,
> the same way "AND" is currently managed (of course boolean constructors in the search
> field would be a nice plus, anyway).

Yes, I agree, that would be very useful.
post by ollitolli on 2008-09-28
Oliver S. wrote:
> Another thing: Can you give me an example of a tag starting with a hyphen? I can't think of one, because I only have hyphens within tags but never in front of them.

I use some "service tags" like -tmp-, -personal-, -meta-.
Now they are _tmp, _personal, _meta :-)
post by emarsk on 2008-09-28
Emanuele Rusconi wrote:
> Oliver S. wrote:
> > Another thing: Can you give me an example of a tag starting with a hyphen? I can't think of one, because I only have hyphens within tags but never in front of them.
>
> I use some "service tags" like -tmp-, -personal-, -meta-.
> Now they are _tmp, _personal, _meta :-)

OK, I can now see the use for that. It's also good to see you found a workaround.
post by ollitolli on 2008-09-28

Searching on Partial Tag Strings

Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:58:43 -0000

search-feature |searching |tag-strings | post by mendobiz on 2008-08-20

Does anyone know (and if the diigo programmers read this forum, please chime in...) how it might be possible to search on partial tag strings?

Consider the strategy that for some complex concepts we commonly use the hyphen (-) or underscore (_) to glue two or more words together. This is a great strategy, but only if you do a search that has that entire string (e.g., see above tags available within diigo's database: "tag-feature" - to find URLs that are connected to "tag-feature" we have to know that full string) because if you search by only using "tag" you won't see the URL's associated with "tag-feature".

What I'd like to see is a user power setting that returns a cloud of tags that presents the string "tag" with all other strings that include or contain the same string "tag", so you would see potentially the following tags that users could pursue: "tag", "tag-feature", "tagging", "tag-strategies", and etc. This would be useful even though you would unfortunately get potential links you would not wish for, such as "potage", "montage" or other words that contain "tag".

Having this power would allow users to explore the range of combinations diigo users employ to capture the essence of the article or website being tagged.

Anyone else have similar thoughts or ideas, or who know how to do this? Please comment.

-George
post by mendobiz on 2008-08-20
Hi Geoge,
Thanks for your suggestion.

1) You can find "tag-feature" by searching "tag" in the upper right search box.
2) How about showing up similar tags in the search result page? Then a user can choose other search terms easily.
post by joel on 2008-08-24

Why del.icio.us for searching and diigo for bookmarking ? + IDEAS

Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:12:37 -0000

Hi diigoers!

It's been a while I've been thinking about an idea to improve tag searching.

First:
Since all the many many many SBs (maybe 30 SB's ?) I've tried to use I now find myself bookmarking a bit with del.icio.us, a bit with Furl (for copies) and everyday with diigo.
So diigo is the winner! BRAVO !!!
It's the one I naturally find myself using. Thank you for this great service. :)
But for searching, I still use del.icio.us !!!

WHY?
One of the great aspects about SB is that it's social: Humanbots - we're supposed to get a human indexed web.
So the "search" side of SB's are crucial. Specially Tag search because they are defined by the humans.
But the problem with the social aspect of tags are numerous : vocabulary, misspelling, language…
Some say there should be no rule because everybody is free to put what he likes - OK I agree, but it means that a person who - for example - uses very few tags, or "personal home made tags" isn't thinking about sharing, so I won't count those (even if they does influence the popularity of a link, but that's an other issue)

I'm thinking of those social - not spam - bookmarks I would like in my tag search results.

Good tag search results also mean good tag managing, but as most don't bother about it I thought it would be nice to have some automated support.

The "suggested" or "popular" tags on the "add bookmark" page is a good feature in that direction.

HOW?

Some ideas for the tag manager:

- spell checker - and for obvious errors an automatic correction (eg. automatically remove triple letters like "acesss")
- option to ignore singular and plural (some do use them on purpose and some don't) eg. a feature that would automatically put them together in one tag
- synonym support. eg. advise similar popular tag ?

For searching :
- language support
- file - media type support
- wildcard support ?

What do you think?

Thanks and have a nice week!

OTHER (problems) :
I have difficulty loading diigo on a windows 2000 server. so an option to view lighter pages?
In the tag manager I see tags that I had split in two are still stuck together as one tag.
And I really need to know from what URL people post messages. I get some critics about a link but I don't know what link they are talking about.
post by ycc2106 on 2008-06-17
Thanks. Those are good ideas. We will discuss them in the internal meeting and I will info you after we have a concrete plan.
post by joel on 2008-06-26
Thank you ! :-)
post by ycc2106 on 2008-07-02

Weird Search Results plus a request

Thu, 01 May 2008 00:01:01 -0000

search |search-feature |searching | post by krissanthesquad on 2008-05-01

When I search for a term in my group bookmarks, I get weird results sometimes. For example, when I search for "underground railroad" I get a list of 2 bookmarks with the count "1-5 of 5" at the top of the list. I know that I have several bookmarks that contain this term.

Also a request - I'd like to know more about the search function's logic, so I can decide how to construct my searches. Should I use boolean terms? Wildcards? Quotation marks? Does full-text search also include sticky notes and comments? This info in the help section would be useful.
post by krissanthesquad on 2008-05-01
I would like to know a little more about this as well. That way I could just type in the search I wanted instead of having to go into the advanced search window.

And is there any way to exclude tags from a search? The more I use diigo, the more I find I need this--for instance, bookmarks from tag A but not tag B (ie, not also tagged B--to get a list of items tagged A, Tagged A and C, etc., but not A and B). The only option I can find in the advanced search is to exclude the word B everywhere--but I want some pages with the word B in them--just not if they are tagged B. Am I making sense?

Krissa Randolph wrote:
> When I search for a term in my group bookmarks, I get weird results sometimes. For example, when I search for "underground railroad" I get a list of 2 bookmarks with the count "1-5 of 5" at the top of the list. I know that I have several bookmarks that contain this term.
>
> Also a request - I'd like to know more about the search function's logic, so I can decide how to construct my searches. Should I use boolean terms? Wildcards? Quotation marks? Does full-text search also include sticky notes and comments? This info in the help section would be useful.
>
post by aquadragon1984 on 2008-05-06
> Also a request - I'd like to know more about the search function's logic, so I can decide how to construct my searches. Should I use boolean terms? Wildcards? Quotation marks? Does full-text search also include sticky notes and comments? This info in the help section would be useful.
>

BUMB. Me too. also, the searchfunction related to e.g. diigo toolbar seems flawed as it doesn't report any instance of a "keyword" e.g. ToolKit whatever the upper- or lowercase spelling of the word in related bookmarks.
post by netsrekruttering on 2008-05-16

Quick way to copy bookmarks from search results ?

Thu, 15 May 2008 21:30:33 -0000

bookmarks |copy |searching |spamming | post by ycc2106 on 2008-05-15

I image there's no "copy bookmark" button on search results because of bad tagging... or is there any other reason?
But still, could there not be a "copy" button.. with - I don't know - if tags are the problem : an obligation to input tags or something? with the possibility to batch copy ?
I often come across search results where I know the websites - but I had forgotten about them.
If i want it, I have to open the page ... bookmark, enter tags+description ... even if the bookmark I was in front of my eyes in the search result !

+Could this not be a good feature to fight spam ? ( instead of removing spam, increasing the amount of non-spam bookmarks ... or would spammers create multiple account and copy from themselves? )

" Sometime bookmarking is like being a human search bot, I'm creating my own BD for my own searching."
post by ycc2106 on 2008-05-15

Browsing/Searching Groups in Diigo sidebar

Thu, 15 May 2008 17:52:39 -0000

browsing |searching |sidebar | post by bluecockatoo on 2008-05-15

Hi Diigoers,

I have started using the Groups feature with a few people and I would like to be able to browse the links in a group or use the search feature from the handy sidebar app in FireFox. It's really nice to not have to go to the site to look up my bookmarks, and so I'd like to see the same convenience for groups.

If no one has suggested this before then I'll throw it out as a feature request!

Thanks for the great searvice/tools. I use them every day!

Lindsay
post by bluecockatoo on 2008-05-15

Search results

Sat, 03 May 2008 17:11:39 -0000

searching |tools | post by exoticrain on 2008-05-03

Currently, when you are browsing search results, there's no button that lets you save them as bookmarks (like the "preview/save/quicksave/comment" bar when you're browsing your watchlist or friends' bookmarks). I'd like to request the same feature for search results.
post by exoticrain on 2008-05-03

Full text search working?

Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:09:53 -0000

searching | post by pdryan on 2008-02-28

Hey there,

I've noticed that when I search for text in the body of articles I've saved, it usually returns no search results. Isn't the full text search facility supposed to search the full text of cached articles?

I've tried this several times to test this function (because it is one of the most important for me), choosing a unique name or phrase two-thirds of the way through articles I've bookmarked. And each time is has returned zero results.

Am I doing something wrong when searching or even bookmarking/highlighting? The full articles are cached in the articles I've bookmarked.

Thanks,

PDR
post by pdryan on 2008-02-28
Hey pdryan -- this is also the feature that brought me to look at diigo -- but I've run similar tests, always with 0 results also. I'm going to post a suggestion to fix it.

pdryan wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> I've noticed that when I search for text in the body of articles I've saved, it usually returns no search results. Isn't the full text search facility supposed to search the full text of cached articles?
>
> I've tried this several times to test this function (because it is one of the most important for me), choosing a unique name or phrase two-thirds of the way through articles I've bookmarked. And each time is has returned zero results.
>
> Am I doing something wrong when searching or even bookmarking/highlighting? The full articles are cached in the articles I've bookmarked.
>
> Thanks,
>
> PDR
post by eegore on 2008-03-17
Any feedback on this issue would be greatly appreciated. When I conduct a search within my bookmarks it only searches the tags. It will not search the titles, highlights, or page text even if I specify to search "by full-text." I love Diigo, but need to be able to search my bookmarks and highlights. Thanks.

eegore wrote:
> Hey pdryan -- this is also the feature that brought me to look at diigo -- but I've run similar tests, always with 0 results also. I'm going to post a suggestion to fix it.
>
> pdryan wrote:
> > Hey there,
> >
> > I've noticed that when I search for text in the body of articles I've saved, it usually returns no search results. Isn't the full text search facility supposed to search the full text of cached articles?
> >
> > I've tried this several times to test this function (because it is one of the most important for me), choosing a unique name or phrase two-thirds of the way through articles I've bookmarked. And each time is has returned zero results.
> >
> > Am I doing something wrong when searching or even bookmarking/highlighting? The full articles are cached in the articles I've bookmarked.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > PDR
post by tjm014 on 2008-03-18
Sorry, it stopped working for a while. We are looking into it.

BTW, an improved full text search engine will be used in the next version which you can use soon.
post by joel on 2008-03-18

site-specific search not picking up current site as parameter

Wed, 07 Nov 2007 13:19:48 -0000

search |searching | post by reckoner on 2007-11-07

When viewing a specific site, I highlight some text, and then do "search -- current site".

The problem is that what appears in the search is the highlighted text with the words site: next to them but nothing after the site: part.

In other words, the toolbar doesn't seem to be picking up the current site and using it for the site: parameter.
post by reckoner on 2007-11-07
I am having exactly the same problem. I wind up at google with the dumbest searches.

The Diigo people cannot possibly be unaware of this....
post by cinayakoshka on 2007-11-08
Hi,
I am sorry for the inconvenient. We noticed this problem. It will be solved in the brand new diigo toolbar which is in the testing process. Hopefully, you can use the new toolbar at the end of this month.
post by joel on 2007-11-12
Hi Joel,

I am using the current version, 1.0.2007.101800, and am having the same problem. Is this fixed, or is there a simple thing I can do to remedy this?

Thanks,
Jim
post by jimnewbold on 2008-01-25

How to add Kartoo search?

Mon, 05 Nov 2007 13:21:37 -0000

search |search-feature |searching | post by reckoner on 2007-11-05

Kartoo is a flash-based search engine, so I can't do the diigosearch thing to get the URL for the customized diigo search.

Is there a way to add kartoo to the search list?
post by reckoner on 2007-11-05

Customize search for maps.google.com?

Mon, 22 Oct 2007 08:03:02 -0000

Is it possible to set up customized search to use Google maps?
post by reckoner on 2007-10-22
Hi! reckoner,

Yep.You can use following URL to add google maps in customized search.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=diigosearch

Mah,
post by mahsaito on 2007-10-22
Mahsaito, Thanks
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-10-23

Suggestion: Bookmark=clip+label+alerts

Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:09:46 -0000

Bookmark=clip+label+alerts

Here:
I. clip=highlights texts or clip video×comments (sticky notes)

II. alerts=rss reader×calendar reminder×searching alerts(like google alerts)

III. label view=Group view+Tag view

Group view=Folders view=Economics（automatically related to the subGroups/subfolders）+Share（determine the sharing authority of members）。

tags is very important, both for bookmarking the website and organizing the personal files on his computer.

I can see no reason that tagclouds company solve only one task.

There are some suggestions for the "view pattern" of labels

1. Matrix Pattern for the Tag clouds,
I suggest that, besides the clouds itself, there are two choices line of tags,
first, the horizonal line (on the top) is same as that of temporary "tag
clouds", which interprete the "intersection" function of tags.

Second, another line, the verticle line (maybe lie beside the cloud) should be
considered, which will interprete the "union" function of tags.
Explicitly speaking, when you click the tags in the clouds, these tags
will first appear in the verticle line, and the showing files are
related to the "union" of these tags. i.e. this file maybe belong to
the first tags in the verticle line, and that file maybe belong to the
second tags in the verticle line.

And then, the horizonal line will show the tags which has the intersection with that "unions".
Once the user click the tags in the horizonal line, the "intersection"
function will be applied, just like what we do now.

II. Folders view of Tags, Once users name some tags as the "folders" or "groups", and
define their hierarchies structure, the user will be able to see that
recursive nested view. Yahoo bookmarks now has enable such function,
but they donnot understand that, "Folders" is just another view of
Tags, so the same named Folder and Tag are different in Yahoo
bookmark. But this is unnessary for our brain. And diigo realize folders view meanings shareing, but diigo donot realize groups have the
hierarchies structure. And Diigo also donot realize "groups" is just another view of labels, so
so the same named group and Tag are different in diigo.

Further, such hierarchies structure will satisfy the theory of psychology. That is,
once you tags a file with "2.1.1" (for example), then this file will be
automatically tagged with the upper tags in the hierarchies, such as
"2.1" and "2" . This is the ecnomical philosophy.
post by arithwsun on 2007-10-05
Thanks - These are interesting comments. Will discuss more here.

arithwsun wrote:
> Bookmark=clip+label+alerts
>
> Here:
> I. clip=highlights texts or clip video×comments (sticky notes)
>
> II. alerts=rss reader×calendar reminder×searching alerts(like google alerts)
>
> III. label view=Group view+Tag view
>
> Group view=Folders view=Economics（automatically related to the subGroups/subfolders）+Share（determine the sharing authority of members）。
>
> tags is very important, both for bookmarking the website and organizing the personal files on his computer.
>
> I can see no reason that tagclouds company solve only one task.
>
> There are some suggestions for the "view pattern" of labels
>
> 1. Matrix Pattern for the Tag clouds,
> I suggest that, besides the clouds itself, there are two choices line of tags,
> first, the horizonal line (on the top) is same as that of temporary "tag
> clouds", which interprete the "intersection" function of tags.
>
> Second, another line, the verticle line (maybe lie beside the cloud) should be
> considered, which will interprete the "union" function of tags.
> Explicitly speaking, when you click the tags in the clouds, these tags
> will first appear in the verticle line, and the showing files are
> related to the "union" of these tags. i.e. this file maybe belong to
> the first tags in the verticle line, and that file maybe belong to the
> second tags in the verticle line.
>
> And then, the horizonal line will show the tags which has the intersection with that "unions".
> Once the user click the tags in the horizonal line, the "intersection"
> function will be applied, just like what we do now.
>
>
> II. Folders view of Tags, Once users name some tags as the "folders" or "groups", and
> define their hierarchies structure, the user will be able to see that
> recursive nested view. Yahoo bookmarks now has enable such function,
> but they donnot understand that, "Folders" is just another view of
> Tags, so the same named Folder and Tag are different in Yahoo
> bookmark. But this is unnessary for our brain. And diigo realize folders view meanings shareing, but diigo donot realize groups have the
> hierarchies structure. And Diigo also donot realize "groups" is just another view of labels, so
> so the same named group and Tag are different in diigo.
>
>
> Further, such hierarchies structure will satisfy the theory of psychology. That is,
> once you tags a file with "2.1.1" (for example), then this file will be
> automatically tagged with the upper tags in the hierarchies, such as
> "2.1" and "2" . This is the ecnomical philosophy.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-10-06