Localization and help pages translation

Mon, 23 Jun 2008 15:49:50 -0000

language |localization |translation | post by tomlaigle on 2008-06-23

Hi,

I'm aiming to start using diigo with french language teachers, and was looking forward to the interface translation... Are these improvements already roughly scheduled ?

Plus I was willing to help translating the help pages, but I don't really know how to organise these pages in the wiki...
Actually i don't know if it's a good idea to start it before the UI localization...

Anyway still willing to help :-)
post by tomlaigle on 2008-06-23
Hi Thomas,
Thanks!! After the language filter feature is finished, we will begin to translate the interface. With that feature, french language teachers can not only see the french interface but also the french bookmarks only! We will info you when we will translate the interface.
post by joel on 2008-06-26
Ok, i'm just impatient :-)

Keep on working guys, Diigo is just great !
post by tomlaigle on 2008-06-26
Joel Liu wrote:
> french language teachers can not only see the french interface but also the french bookmarks only!

I definitely hope it'll be an option. Do think about those who understand both - I wouldn't like to be limited to french only.
Well at least for searching: an check box to search only french, english… bookmarks would be nice.

maybe 20% of my bookmarks are french.
post by ycc2106 on 2008-07-02

Time for localization and other suggestions

Sun, 23 Mar 2008 18:08:52 -0000

features |localization | post by locative on 2008-03-23

Congratulations! the new Diigo is becoming the standard in social bookmarking!

That said, there is still some features i miss (trying to be always :) useful) , the first is the localization of Diigo in many languages. I hope this is becoming a priority after this launch. I'm sure many users, like me, can help in that work -personally in spanish-. Localization should not mean the interface localization only, but a whole multilanguage Diigo system that include, for example, the possibility (oh please!) of having my tags translated so 'español' and 'spanish' can be intrepreted as the same tag by the system (if i choose that).

This translated_tags feature it's very important, localization should help people - and info- meet even while they're using different mature/main languages.

And some other suggestions:
- Tags grouping.
- Safari toolbar.
- 'Show notes' option in linkrolls (not confuse with the current 'show annotated only')
- Unread = still not bookmarked
- Wordpress plugin: to use my diigo tags to tag my posts and to quickly add an annotated bookmark to them.

About the profile page:
- Change the name of 'favorite sites' box in my profile, did I marked as my favorites? No. So use 'top sites' instead.
- The same for 'favorite lists', those should be (they are) 'My lists'.
- 'Profiles elsewhere' names my Bitacoras.com profile as 'My others'.

Home Page:
I have to say that home page is a bit booring. Please don't use anymore, i think i said this before, that good looking, beauty, happy... people photos. Diigo homapge seems that old/empty corporate webpage looking for creepy clients. Put top/fresh sites at the top of the page, beside the group box and tag communities, wich reinforce the social and unique bookmarking features. After that: top users and hot tags. Move that introduction statements to the signup page and concentrate in getting an interesting home page, a place to have as a usual reference for everone to see what's going on the web an on this community.

And some great surprises already available:
- The 'top contributors' box in every tag page is a great way to meet people!
- 'Only these tags' option in 'Daily blog post', blogging from Diigo is now a fast and effective way.

Saludos,
Jose Luis
post by locative on 2008-03-23
Other suggestions while starting to use v3 daily:

- 'Copy highlight' option in the automatic menu that appears when the mouse is over a highlight.
- 'My groups' tab in the new sidebar.
post by locative on 2008-03-25
I'd like:

Unread:
- Option to have other bookmarks default to public, but unread ones default to private.
- Drop down list of unread items direct from the toolbar.
- A "mark read" button to easily change it, and take it off the unread list.

Sidebar:
- Hyperlinks for the most commonly searched, or most recently searched tags below the searchbox.

Favorites:
- The ones I click on the most. Or an option to sort the list by clicks

Cool Extras:
- track changes. Since you are already letting me add notes and cache pages, I'd like to be able to choose to be updated if the page changes, or if my highlights change. (kinda like a builting changenotes.com, before it broke).
-screenshots would be nice, if used sparingly... such as on the homepage or dashboard.
post by soulgrind on 2008-03-25
wow! very good points Soulgrinds. Specially that track changes feature, specially when thinking that while Diigo allow us to highlight a page, this highlight becomes broken when the text is changed. Maybe the already cached page is enough... but highlights are not shown is those chached versions.

The 'Drop down list of unread items direct from the toolbar' or throught any other quick way, is also a nice one.

By the way, I'd like to be able to add more tags to this conversation after its creation.
post by locative on 2008-03-25
Mmm.. I think the sidebar should allow some configuration in the options extension, to hide or show the elements i'm interested in, like groups, lists, unread bookmarks, follow a tag, etc. like in the toolbar.
post by locative on 2008-03-25
One more: some visual message should inform in cached pages that "You're seeing a cached page" with a link to see the current version.
post by locative on 2008-03-25
One more and i think this can be considered as a bug: Bookmark time should not change when a new highlight is done. Maybe every highlight should have also its own time stamp.
post by locative on 2008-03-25
I also have noticed what may become a big problem for me. Not more than one week ago I annotated a page. The author moved the page and I get a 'page not found' error. I go to the diigo cached version (good) but NONE of my highlights are there. Of course I can find which annotations that I made previously and manually re-annotate the new page then manually go into my bookmarks and delete the old bookmarked page. If this happens very often it can become too time consuming.
Is there a faster way that already exists? Can you add this as a feature? (perhaps by simply adding a column to the table in the user's database that links to the cached page table? Then run a query. Obviously you guys know what you're doing)

Jose luis Pajares wrote:
> wow! very good points Soulgrinds. Specially that track changes feature, specially when thinking that while Diigo allow us to highlight a page, this highlight becomes broken when the text is changed. Maybe the already cached page is enough... but highlights are not shown is those chached versions.
>
> The 'Drop down list of unread items direct from the toolbar' or throught any other quick way, is also a nice one.
>
> By the way, I'd like to be able to add more tags to this conversation after its creation.
post by cuttingedge on 2008-04-02
Lots of good suggestions. T hanks for sharing! Will discuss here.

Meanwhile, if anyone interested in helping out with a translation of our HELP help.diigo.com into other languages -- please let us know. Thanks
post by maggie_diigo on 2008-04-03
This is a good point, but will take some resources for us to annotate the cached pages as well. Will think about it.
post by maggie_diigo on 2008-04-03
Thanks for all the suggestions

Re: localization; we need to get language filter done first, so you will only be shown stuff in your languages.

>
> And some other suggestions:
> - Tags grouping.

you mean bundle?

> - Safari toolbar.

this is not yet on our plan. Diigolet works well on safari

> - 'Show notes' option in linkrolls (not confuse with the current 'show annotated only')

this should be available now.

> - Unread = still not bookmarked

??

> - Wordpress plugin: to use my diigo tags to tag my posts and to quickly add an annotated bookmark to them.

how does this work?

>
> Home Page:

we have somewhat different design objective -- it is meant to be seen mostly by newcomers before registering. Once you signed in, you rarely see that page.
post by wade on 2008-04-04
Jose Luis Pajares wrote:
> Other suggestions while starting to use v3 daily:
>
> - 'Copy highlight' option in the automatic menu that appears when the mouse is over a highlight.

will add this back.

> - 'My groups' tab in the new sidebar.

??
post by wade on 2008-04-04
> - Drop down list of unread items direct from the toolbar.
> - A "mark read" button to easily change it, and take it off the unread list.

This is already available. Diigo >> Unread. clicking any item in there will automatically remove it from "unread"

>
> Sidebar:
> - Hyperlinks for the most commonly searched, or most recently searched tags below the searchbox.

on our to-do
>
> Favorites:
> - The ones I click on the most. Or an option to sort the list by clicks

ff3.0's Smart Bookmarks provides this

>
> Cool Extras:
> - track changes. Since you are already letting me add notes and cache pages, I'd like to be able to choose to be updated if the page changes, or if my highlights change. (kinda like a builting changenotes.com, before it broke).

on our to-do
> -screenshots would be nice, if used sparingly... such as on the homepage or dashboard.

quite a few requests on adding screencast, though I remain unconvinced that it is really beneficial since it increases page size , yet is still unreadable. Note we have "preview" feature. maybe we can add that the dashboard also.
post by wade on 2008-04-04
This is an intentional design. Otherwise, if you highlight an old bookmark, you won't see it in "My Bookmarks", and you may wonder "did I do the highlight?"

Jose Luis Pajares wrote:
> One more and i think this can be considered as a bug: Bookmark time should not change when a new highlight is done. Maybe every highlight should have also its own time stamp.
post by wade on 2008-04-04
all the feature requests related to cached pages are on our to-do. it will take a while as there are other higher priority tasks
post by wade on 2008-04-04
good news :), hope localization wil become part of that list soon.
post by locative on 2008-04-05
Me too...

A "simple" multi language interface would be a nice start, I can wait for languages filter and tag translator...
I'd be pleased to help with french translation if needed :)
post by tomlaigle on 2008-04-06
Jose Luis Pajares wrote:
> And some other suggestions:
> - Tags grouping.

I would like this as well--like the delicious bundles. It's the only thing I really miss.

> About the profile page:
> - Change the name of 'favorite sites' box in my profile, did I marked as my favorites? No. So use 'top sites' instead.
> - The same for 'favorite lists', those should be (they are) 'My lists'.

I completely agree here. They aren't my favorites, and I'm not comfortable displaying them labeled as such.
post by aquadragon1984 on 2008-04-06
Wade Ren wrote:
> Jose Luis Pajares wrote:
> > Other suggestions while starting to use v3 daily:
> >- 'My groups' tab in the new sidebar.
>
> ??

Like you have the bookmarks tab and the friends tab? I think that is what he is talking about. Might be useful.
post by aquadragon1984 on 2008-04-06
Wade Ren wrote:
> > -screenshots would be nice, if used sparingly... such as on the homepage or dashboard.
>
> quite a few requests on adding screencast, though I remain unconvinced that it is really beneficial since it increases page size , yet is still unreadable. Note we have "preview" feature. maybe we can add that the dashboard also.

I for one am totally against screenshots--they'll make pages load slower and take up screen space, making pages feel cluttered. If you can't tell what a page is by your tags and annotations, then you really need to tag and annotate better, IMHO.
post by aquadragon1984 on 2008-04-06
I also agree about the favorites. Some of mine are kinda weird.. because there are several small, different sites hosted on the same service... which means diigo thinks the main service is my favorite. Actually I've never even looked at the main site.
On the other hand, some are pretty good.. so maybe the feature has some merit... but Top Sites might be more apt.

I don't use groups, but having them as a tab on the sidebar seems like a logical idea.

Screenshots aren't a major feature i'm dying for (much rather have changenotes, remembered searches, searches, unread etc.. direct on the toolbar).

However I can't help but notice that sites like Magnolia get far more hype and attention than ones like diigo. In terms of usability and features I'd say diigo was way ahead.. but it can't be denied that, at least at first glance, magnolia looks a lot more colorful and interesting.
I think a lot of people who use these kind of sites are people like web designers.. and they are naturally drawn to more graphical interfaces.

I just wonder if diigo might get more hype, and therefore have more "diigo this page" icons added to pages, if it had screenshots. (like in the favorites list).

Maybe make it an optional feature when setting up public lists (kinda like public galleries) or make it optional for some groups?
As I say, its not hugely important to me.. i just think it might help diigo's profile.
post by soulgrind on 2008-04-07
I also don't believe we need screenshots. There are plenty of other ways that you can do screenshots, it
would be a lot of work to program/maintain, and a resource hog on diigo's servers.
As it is now you can annotate text and highlight images.
I also wouldn't worry about getting hype or making it more colorful in order to attract people.
Just keep the focus on the functionality and speed there. People will find diigo if it
serves them.

soulgrind r wrote:
> I also agree about the favorites. Some of mine are kinda weird.. because there are several small, different sites hosted on the same service... which means diigo thinks the main service is my favorite. Actually I've never even looked at the main site.
> On the other hand, some are pretty good.. so maybe the feature has some merit... but Top Sites might be more apt.
>
> I don't use groups, but having them as a tab on the sidebar seems like a logical idea.
>
> Screenshots aren't a major feature i'm dying for (much rather have changenotes, remembered searches, searches, unread etc.. direct on the toolbar).
>
> However I can't help but notice that sites like Magnolia get far more hype and attention than ones like diigo. In terms of usability and features I'd say diigo was way ahead.. but it can't be denied that, at least at first glance, magnolia looks a lot more colorful and interesting.
> I think a lot of people who use these kind of sites are people like web designers.. and they are naturally drawn to more graphical interfaces.
>
> I just wonder if diigo might get more hype, and therefore have more "diigo this page" icons added to pages, if it had screenshots. (like in the favorites list).
>
> Maybe make it an optional feature when setting up public lists (kinda like public galleries) or make it optional for some groups?
> As I say, its not hugely important to me.. i just think it might help diigo's profile.
post by cuttingedge on 2008-04-27

Multilingual tags

Tue, 23 Oct 2007 01:21:46 -0000

localization |tags | post by locative on 2007-10-23

Every time I've to tag a webpage, i've the same dilemma: should i tag in english or in spanish? Of course it depends of the community i want to address, but somehow i would like that my bookmarks will be useful for both, to get integrated into the spanish community and in the global one (which actually speaks in english).
I know i could just add both tags (like 'congreso' and 'conference') but this technique doesn't seem quite clean for an organizing system.
So, I will say "wow" if i can see a localization tool for my tags. If Diigo do so, maybe it will be one of the pioneers of the semantic web.
post by locative on 2007-10-23
I very much agree with locative. Other people have said that this isn't important or unrealistic, but I think it's essential to building a world-wide community. There should be an option that automatically translates your tags into other languages, making it at least slightly more possible that you will find people in other countries, speaking other languages, who are interested in the same thing.

I know that some translations will cause problems, but those problems (multi-lingual mismatches) would be worth it to me, if I knew that my tag had a more international audience.
post by wllwll on 2007-10-23
Agree. To do proper language filtering is non-trivial but worth it. On our To-Do list.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-10-23
I did'nt expect this positive feedback so I think this system it's difficult to implement.
I think there are two approachs:
1. Localizations are global: one tag may have only one translation for all the Diigo users. It could be automatically (made by Diigo) o manually (made by the community).
2. Localizations are personal: i translate my tags and they don't refer to other localizations from other users.

Both have advantages. In my case, i would prefer that the translation doesn't occur automatically, instead of localize myself only my tags (same word, different meanings). Anyway a new search option could be added to "Search through all the user localizations" and don't loose the advantages of the other approach.
post by locative on 2007-10-24
I ve the same problem with an international community, at the group level...
My sales group exist both in French, English Spanish and German.
http://groups.diigo.com/groups/sales-group
All ideas are welcomes...
post by laurentdubois on 2007-10-26

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