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Bookmark Description Missing In Groups' RSS Feed

Fri, 19 Sep 2008 19:10:46 -0000

Sorry for all the posting.

I am building a website for a client, and am experimenting with the concept of using Diigo Groups as a publishing platform. The nonprofit would have a diigo group and would use the groups bookmarks as not only a group bookmarking platform, but the feeds from that groups bookmarks can be published as a newsletter, if properly commented upon, sticky noted, and described. The home of the feed would be the Diigo group, thus allowing the organization to have forum capabilities too - awesome!

So I am doing a lot of testing of fields and feeds. I apologize for all the posting. Here is my latest.

1. The description field of the rss feed will show in "my bookmarks" but will not show in the feed of bookmarks of a group.

2. When bookmarking a site with a two word tag (in quotations), the two word tag such as "White House" will appear as one tag "White House" in the My Bookmarks sections, but as two separate tags, "White" and "House" in the group's bookmarks.

Thoughts? These are bugs, right?
post by suzannah on 2008-09-19
> 1. The description field of the rss feed will show in "my bookmarks" but will not show in the feed of bookmarks of a group.
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===> thanks for your report, now bookmark description added

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> 2. When bookmarking a site with a two word tag (in quotations), the two word tag such as "White House" will appear as one tag "White House" in the My Bookmarks sections, but as two separate tags, "White" and "House" in the group's bookmarks.
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===> does this bug appear in your rss reader? then which rss reader do you use?

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> Thoughts? These are bugs, right?
post by vincent on 2008-09-20
Heya Vincent!

Sorry for not being clear. Thanks for fixing the bookmark description.:)

It's my fault for not being clear. The second bug I was reporting didnt have anything to do with RSS, unlike the first which did. It has to do with bookmarking to groups.

Say I go to http://whitehouse.gov, the official site for the US White House.

1. I click bookmark on the ff3 toolbar
2. I write in the title, description
3. Under tags, I type in quotes the two word tag that is "White House"
4. Under the option of "Share to a group," I choose from the drop down menu "Diigo Community".
5. When I go to My Bookmarks, the white house site is there, with only one tag, that tag being the two word tag "White House"
6. When I go to the Diigo Community Group, the bookmark is there with two tags, "White" and "House"
7. In conclusion, both with the FF3 Toolbar and the Diigolet, bookmarking a single tag that consists of two words in quotations does not work when bookmarking that tag to a Diigo Group. Bookmarking a site with a single tag consisting of two words in quotes only works when making personal bookmarks.

Does that make sense?
post by suzannah on 2008-09-20
thanks for your patience, bug fixed now
post by vincent on 2008-09-21

Bug:: Feeds In Groups :: Comments Missing

Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:50:37 -0000

bug |feeds |groups |rss | post by suzannah on 2008-03-28

Just a note:

Thanks SO much for fixing the RSS issue of comments and sticky notes not coming through on Lists. Thought I would drop a line that in the feeds for bookmarks in groups, the highlights and sticky notes come through just great, but the comments do not. However, because the comment ITSELF does not come through BUT the little text phrase "posted by" does come through, it looks like a simple merge problem to me. Someone just forgot to pop in that merge field (for lack of better vocabulary, sorry)

LOVE Diigo!!!

One other thought - I am sure it just got lost somewhere - the ability to move an item from one list to another. No option for "Add to List" is available when you are already in a list. you have to travel to the bookmarked link and use the toolbar. makes organizing lists a little difficult.

Thanks!
post by suzannah on 2008-03-28
We've noticed that, too, on our groups list.
post by krissanthesquad on 2008-03-28
We will look into it.
post by joel on 2008-03-28

Request | My Tools | My Feeds: list, categorize, tag, manage feeds

Mon, 08 Oct 2007 08:58:05 -0000

Just a small suggestion:

With the POWERFUL tools on feeds and feed management that DIIGO has to offer, I suggest we flesh this out just a tad more...

Google reader really hit it off in the reviews and the subscribers with the 'shared' feeds option - mostly because people could choose the best of their feeds and republish them. Basically, they mark each article in the feed reader that they want to share, and a feed is set up just of those articles. Made a huge advance on other feed readers that way.

There are many reasons for this - but here is what i think the most compelling is - SPEED. people who like feeds (this is growing exponentially by the way) are people who are too busy to go website to website. Google Reader's function of marking articles and sharing articles from many feeds republished into one feed allows people to subscribe to others shared feed, and take the speed even farther. we dont have to search through all the sites because we have feeds, then we dont have to search through all the feeds because we can subscribe to shared feeds that include the best articles of our interest feed into one feed... enter DIIGO. Diigo can not only share the articles of a particular interest by tag rss - DIIGO folk can actually just clip the important clips of the articles. Its the fastest speed yet - the key points of the key articles of the key feeds of the topic of interest.

DIIGO has their own spin on this with what you already offer - rss feeds on groups, lists, and tags. It applies to this same excited niche of people who like to republish articles in a feed, but actually goes so many steps farther because our users actually comment on those articles with highlights and stickies. The RSS feed that comes from any given tag (or now lists and community) is extremely customized and only covers clips of the article - the bottom line of the article - which is yet another speed factor.

Ok, so what am i getting at???

I really think with all the feed ability DIIGO has could ride this wave because it is the same niche but no well designed competing products. I desperately need a MY FEEDS section!!! Somewhere where I can manage the feeds from my lists, groups, tags, etc. Rename them as news wires, offer them as publications for all those people out there looking for the bottom line of any given topic delivered directly to them. Once we can easily turn our feeds into publications on niches that focus on the bottom line that all busy people desperately need to get to, I think DIIGO could grow leaps and bounds. There you have firmly launched and expansion far beyond just bookmarking, slides, and research - but right into web design, marketing, and so much more.

Just my thoughts. :)

two other plugs ---- whats up with the invites for the beta? I am SALIVATING. 2. Whats up with the fact that the highlight button is all screwy now and i have to use the diigolet?

Thanks for listening. DIIGO ROCKS and i salute you pioneers!!!

-Suzannah
post by suzannah on 2007-10-08
thanks for this thoughtful piece. I think you are right on.

--- I desperately need a MY FEEDS section!!! Somewhere where I can manage the feeds from my lists, groups, tags, etc.

What do you like to do with "managing the feeds"?
post by wade on 2007-10-08
> What do you like to do with "managing the feeds"?

Hey Wade!! Thanks for acknowledging my post!

Some things I would want in a "My Feeds" Section:

1. The ability to have a section where I publicize my feeds. For example, I can have a tag that is Nonprofit Tools. I can have a tag that was "Newsletters". Therefore, anything I tagged both "Nonprofit Tools" and "Newletters" can as of right now be it's own feed. For each bookmark, I go through the process of bookmarking the site or article, highlighting important content, and commenting (sticky) on that highlight. This means that for each article I would be able to sift out the really important bottom line and apply my own expertise to the bottom line. As of right now, this comes into my feed reader as a really informative source, looking a lot like a newsletter about the best of Nonprofit Tools online.

I would love to have a section on my profile that showed all the feeds that I really wanted to highlight as a publication - like the example above. As of right now, all that information is in a notebook I am keeping for when I launch a site on this topic. On my site, I will have a subscription page of feeds that are really just bookmarks with a lot of highlighting and comments - but they look like a Commentary Newsletter.

2. We need to be able to rename a particular feed and add a description to it. Rather than just suzannah's bookmarks on nonprofit tools + newsletters, which is what the title would be at this point, I would be able to reburn the feed as "Suzannah's Nonprofit Tools Newsletters". This would REALLY be able to allow website designers and bloggers a new and profoundly useful tool in Diigo for republishing on their sites.

As of right now, I have to reburn every feed into Feeddemon to change the title and description.

3. ***** (this is really important) Also, we desperately need the ability to adjust feeds so that when a bookmark is "read", it doesnt automatically disappear from the feed. In order for me to publish any feed right now, all my bookmarks have to be "unread". This negates a lot of usefulness in feeds! (think i should write a post about this separately, I guess)

4. Under My Feeds, which of course would be public in most cases, I would be able to give a description of a feed, what kind of links are in it and what kind of commentary, and other users would be able to pick the best subscriptions for them. The best entry for a feed would include feed title, feed tags, feed description, and most importantly, a button leading to the new list feature, which would (as i already can but is underutilized) turn that feed into a slide list so that the potential users/subscribers could see what was in the feed.

These are just some thoughts...

-Suzannah
post by dailyrebellions on 2007-10-11
sorry..thats going to be my personal account and this my professional account...

anyway...

looks like i am not alone... i just found this post on the delicious blog... its compelling to me. its at:
http://blog.del.icio.us/blog/2007/03/rss_has_a_flavo.html

(FROM DELICIOUS)

Did you know that well over half of the requests seen by del.icio.us are for RSS feeds? That means that people cruising around our site in browsers are actually in the minority, when it comes down to raw traffic. Instead, our heaviest hitters include personalized home pages, desktop news aggregators, and even stranger things.

With that in mind, it makes sense to remember that small changes can have a big impact. Thus, given that our feeds have been doing a decent job this far, they haven't changed much from their austere beginnings.

Decent isn't great, though. So, as the team's semi-official (and published!) feed junkie, I've been working on some small improvements. I've been looking into how our feeds are used and how to better streamline and present our information in different contexts. These improvements include features like:

* including tag descriptions in feed titles and descriptions where available;
* offering the ability to save bookmarks straight from your feed reader;
* displaying an up-to-date count of saves, without making items appear new again in feed readers;
* building more useful feed content with links to people, tags, and more bookmark details;
* providing more metadata where it seems useful, or less where it appears redundant.

And, this is just the start. We're rolling these changes out gradually, on a per-user-agent basis, and we're planning for more. So, if you don't see any improvements in your favorite feed reader yet—or if the changes haven't quite hit their mark for you—be sure to contact us and let us know!
post by suzannah on 2007-10-11
I really like that you are using diigo's annotation features to produce newsletter-like feeds.

Have you checked out our lists and webslides features? It seems to offer much of what you want for publishing, such as title and description. please let me know if that works for you.
post by wade on 2007-10-17
I know I'm late to this discussion, but wanted to go on record as saying that I hope the new release includes PRIVATE RSS ADDRESSES (a la Google Calendar and many of the other online productivity apps.)

I don't think a user should have to make his/her bookmarks public in order to embed them into feed readers, Firefox, or widgets. Of course, being able to do so by tag, list, etc. would be most excellent, but even just a single straight feed of all saved bookmarks would be a big step in the right direction.
post by tomtullio on 2008-03-18
There are several ways to go about this.

You can keep your bookmarks private, but you can add them to a list or a group. You can then use the rss address of the list or the group to publish elsewhere.

You can do this even if the group is private . In the new release, a private list will also have a secret rss address.

Hope these solve your needs.
post by wade on 2008-03-19
This is not the case.

If a bookmark is private, and then it is placed in a list, it will not show up in the RSS feed. If it is converted to public, than it WILL show up in the RSS feed.

The only difference is that if a comment is marked private on a public bookmark, the private comment will appear in the RSS feed of a public bookmark residing on a private list. But, as Tom says above, the bookmarks must be public to show up on the private list's RSS feed - even with the new release.

Wade Ren wrote:
> There are several ways to go about this.
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> You can keep your bookmarks private, but you can add them to a list or a group. You can then use the rss address of the list or the group to publish elsewhere.
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> You can do this even if the group is private . In the new release, a private list will also have a secret rss address.
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> Hope these solve your needs.
post by suzannah on 2008-03-28

RSS Feeds not working properly

Tue, 08 Jan 2008 05:35:43 -0000

feed |feeds |rss |rss-reader | post by info-hound on 2008-01-08

The RSS feature only seems to work on my main bookmark page. When I either create a list or just a filter on a tag the RSS feed is empty. Has anyone had this problem? Any solution to the problem?

Thanks
post by info-hound on 2008-01-08
It was fixed. Please check it.
post by joel on 2008-01-10
Thanks working great now.
joel wrote:
> It was fixed. Please check it.
post by info-hound on 2008-01-11

Help with RSS, Groups AND Individual

Tue, 15 May 2007 08:09:31 -0000

bookmark |feeds |groups |rss | post by dailyrebellions on 2007-05-15

I am having a lot of trouble with RSS. I am planning to bring over 2-300 bookmarks into an organized fashion from blinklist, but I have to figure these things out. so i am going to keep my groups private till i get it all right. (However, I wanted to clarify that the following were questions/concerns when the 'group' had a public status.) I really really want to leave blinklist - and these are the questions that can help me do that.

1. Public/Private/Anyone/Invite - If you pick the option 'Public' AND the option "Invitation Only", when you save, the group is saved as "Private-only members can view"

2. GROUPS | > RSS
If I make a comment on a bookmark. Then I LATER decide to 'share that bookmark', the comment does not appear in the groups. I have to manually go to the group bookmarks section and add the comments over again. This of course means that when you go to the page, there are double comments. Is this meant to be the case?

3. GROUPS | > RSS & Comments
Are the comments from the group going to be available in the RSS Feed? Are they supposed to be as of right now? (they are not). They are available in Blinklist's "Spaces" (their feed rocks, even if the space is confusing)

4. MYBOOKMARKS (non groups) | > RSS > Tags in RSS Reader Merging to Inaccurate Links
Ok, this is complicated, so get comfy. Say I subscribe to a feed of a tag in my own personal bookmarks. In the feed reader, I see the TITLE, the DATE posted, and the TAGS. The tags are hyperlinks. Here's where it gets weird. Say the tag is "nonprofit". I suppose it html hyperlink is something like "tag/nonprofit". So the hyperlink in the RSS feeder combines the TITLE and the link of the tag. So if the bookmark is Idealist which has a web address of www.idealist.org - the tag "nonprofit" will link to "http://www.idealist.org/tag/nonprofit" which of course, is not a location at all. The tag "nonprofit" under a bookmark for Consultant commons (www.consultantcommons.org) will translate in an RSS reader in such a way that the tag links to "http://www.consultantcommons.org/tag/nonprofit" which also is not a valid link. What do I do?

5. MYBOOKMARKS (non groups) | > RSS > Comments in RSS Reader
This is pretty important. Are there any plans for the comments of the user to show up in the users feed?

Thanks so much for your patience with me on these matters. I hope I was clear enough! I am not so good at writing techie things!
post by dailyrebellions on 2007-05-15
Good questions here. Please see comment below.

> 1. Public/Private/Anyone/Invite - If you pick the option 'Public' AND the option "Invitation Only", when you save, the group is saved as "Private-only members can view"

No. some admin for public groups prefer to moderate its membership. So we offer an option for it to be public (ie. viewable by anyone), but members are by invite only and only members can contribute bookmarks, forum posts to it. If it's not working as it's supposed to, then there is a bug.

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> 2. GROUPS | > RSS
> If I make a comment on a bookmark. Then I LATER decide to 'share that bookmark', the comment does not appear in the groups. -->> This shouldn't be the case. Please double check.

I have to manually go to the group bookmarks section and add the comments over again. This of course means that when you go to the page, there are double comments. Is this meant to be the case?

----> "My Bookmarks" and "Groups" use different databases. So, once you share a bookmark to a group, it's essentially copied to that group. Any of your existing comments (before sharing) should be visible to the group members (if not, please advise the details). However, once shared, any comments that you wish to mark / share to the group should be added when you're in the group env't, not in "My bookmark". Hope this is clear.

> 3. GROUPS | > RSS & Comments
> Are the comments from the group going to be available in the RSS Feed? Are they supposed to be as of right now? (they are not). They are available in Blinklist's "Spaces" (their feed rocks, even if the space is confusing)

RSS is now available for public group's bookmarks (including page comments) and forum posts.

So for example, here is the RSS feed for this public group forum: http://groups.diigo.com/rss/Diigo_HQ/forum

Blinklist's feeds - can you please direct us to it and show us an example? Thanks

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> 4. MYBOOKMARKS (non groups) | > RSS > Tags in RSS Reader Merging to Inaccurate Links
> Ok, this is complicated, so get comfy. Say I subscribe to a feed of a tag in my own personal bookmarks. In the feed reader, I see the TITLE, the DATE posted, and the TAGS. The tags are hyperlinks. Here's where it gets weird. Say the tag is "nonprofit". I suppose it html hyperlink is something like "tag/nonprofit". So the hyperlink in the RSS feeder combines the TITLE and the link of the tag. So if the bookmark is Idealist which has a web address of www.idealist.org - the tag "nonprofit" will link to "http://www.idealist.org/tag/nonprofit" which of course, is not a location at all. The tag "nonprofit" under a bookmark for Consultant commons (www.consultantcommons.org) will translate in an RSS reader in such a way that the tag links to "http://www.consultantcommons.org/tag/nonprofit" which also is not a valid link. What do I do?

Fixed - please check.
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> 5. MYBOOKMARKS (non groups) | > RSS > Comments in RSS Reader
> This is pretty important. Are there any plans for the comments of the user to show up in the users feed?

Updated.

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> Thanks so much for your patience with me on these matters. I hope I was clear enough! I am not so good at writing techie things!

Hope this helps.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-16