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Join Get Satisfaction please!! :-)

Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:37:48 -0000

Hi diigo team,

please join your company profile at Get Satisfaction!

http://getsatisfaction.com/diigo

Get Satisfaction has got a lot of useful features for you and your users, which'll help you to help more easily and quickly! And in the future there will be a whole lot of statistics both for the single user and for the company itself! :)

I'm not a Get Satisfaction employee, but a happy and excited user! :)

Kind regards.
post by philipp_grunwald on 2008-07-04
Hi Philipp,

Thanks for the head-up. Will check it out. Hope it won't require us to do "double-duty" Q&A :-)

Do you know of any web2.0 sites that successfully use their features - would be nice to check out some "usecases" to get some ideas. thanks a lot!
post by maggie_diigo on 2008-07-06
Hi Maggie,

I do understand your thoughts about potential "double-duty" work.

Sorry that I won't list all the companies again, Firefox currently crashed and my post was gone. -.- Mozilla and Yahoo! are at Get Satisfaction and a lot of the little startups and web2.0 services too. :)
post by philipp_grunwald on 2008-07-06

Comments Requests Reccomendations

Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:19:59 -0000

comments |discussion |features |feedback | post by zamiang on 2008-04-29

I have been using this bookmarking service for the past week, recommending it to friends and people at work and have come across some important criticisms. Some of these you may already be addressing.

I say this because I find this to be one of the most well engineered web apps I have seen....ever. It is extraordinarily thorough and well integrated into the older and competing technology that it seeks to replace. The usability is the issue.
Here are my criticisms (mostly visual)

-custom color scheme - I think that you can add something as simple as the last.fm 'paint it black button' or something as thorough as the netvibes interface to allow a user to feel at home in your space without affecting your branding. The web 2.0 blue is old. Your...pretty much web 3.0 anyway so have some 3.0 visual standards (whatever the hell that means)

-sorting - the ability to control how bookmarks are ordered (ie not by date). Ideally one could drag them up and down or place them in tabs via a drag.

-date - the exact hours ago that I bookmarked a site is extraordinarily irrelevant 99% of the time. Please allow the removal of this information.

-pictures- a little screen shot of the web page next to the bookmark as a custom option. A bit like twine, but you can do better.

-toolbar- add multiple pages of bookmarks. I don't want to go back to diigo to go to older bookmarks.

-ability to send bookmarks w/o a firefox plugin. (again like twine) but please not like twine. It will have to happen for you to tap into that user base. Which may be small (people who use IE or Safari etc but try out beta web bookmarking apps) hmm…It will have to be made at some point.

thats it.
Please make this or something like this a sticky in your forums to assist in the development of your software.

reduce the user's cognitive load

thanks for reading
-b
post by zamiang on 2008-04-29
Brennan,

Thanks for your thoughtful post, kind words, and feedback. Glad that you found diigo useful and sharing it with others! Please see comment below.

Brennan Moore wrote:
> I have been using this bookmarking service for the past week, recommending it to friends and people at work and have come across some important criticisms. Some of these you may already be addressing.
>
> I say this because I find this to be one of the most well engineered web apps I have seen....ever. It is extraordinarily thorough and well integrated into the older and competing technology that it seeks to replace.

== > Wow! thanks!

The usability is the issue.
> Here are my criticisms (mostly visual)
>
> -custom color scheme - I think that you can add something as simple as the last.fm 'paint it black button' or something as thorough as the netvibes interface to allow a user to feel at home in your space without affecting your branding. The web 2.0 blue is old. Your...pretty much web 3.0 anyway so have some 3.0 visual standards (whatever the hell that means)

== > Yes - on our to-do. would be nice :-)

> -sorting - the ability to control how bookmarks are ordered (ie not by date).

== > Diigo already offers several sorting options - (unread, privacy, untagged, etc.)

Ideally one could drag them up and down or place them in tabs via a drag.

== > What tabs? Please elaborate more on exactly how you envision it and is there an UI example somewhere? Many people have lots of bookmarks, strictly dragging the order within one page is not too effective. Have you checked out our LIST function yet? Not only it helps you to organize the collection better, over there we do support the drag order since the #s of bookmarks is much easier to manage http://help.diigo.com/How-To_Guide/Lists

>
> -date - the exact hours ago that I bookmarked a site is extraordinarily irrelevant 99% of the time. Please allow the removal of this information.

== > we use clock to track the current day bookmarking activities to assist the community "Just In" section. Once a saved bookmark past the 24 hrs line, it becomes "date". It's the same placement as date.

> -pictures- a little screen shot of the web page next to the bookmark as a custom option. A bit like twine, but you can do better.

== > thumbnail? again, this is a personal UI preference issue. Some users like them, some think those thumbnails are too small to provide really valuable info but end up cluttered the page. Hard to please all :-)

It's possible that we can consider adding this support in the premium account, if there is indeed enough demand for it.

>
> -toolbar- add multiple pages of bookmarks. I don't want to go back to diigo to go to older bookmarks.

== > How? please elaborate

> -ability to send bookmarks w/o a firefox plugin. (again like twine) but please not like twine. It will have to happen for you to tap into that user base. Which may be small (people who use IE or Safari etc but try out beta web bookmarking apps) hmm…It will have to be made at some point.

== > yes. coming. By the way, diigolet (bookmarket) is already available.

>
> thats it.
> Please make this or something like this a sticky in your forums to assist in the development of your software.

== > ?
post by maggie_diigo on 2008-05-01
I apologize for not being entirely clear

the tabs-
much like how you can create folders in Firefox in your bookmarks toolbar. It is mostly a use ability and convenience concern. Just another means of organizing bookmarks quickly and easily. I realize that this can already be done through groups but the physicality of dragging things to a folder for organization is very standardized and intuitive. It feels quicker than having to manually label everything Basically a drag to an auto group space could potentially be created in an ajax script.
-How I envision this is a section to the right of the bookmarks where one could drag a bookmark into a folder then access that folder via a drop down tab

sticky- in a message board, is a topic that is locked at the top, so that there aren't lots of separate topics about basically the same thing.

in the diigo sidebar-
-at the bottom have 'page 2' , 'next page'
-and the option to eliminate the viewing of the date. I realize the date is important for organization but I already know bookmarks are sorted by date. When i am searching for a bookmark the time i bookmarked it is rarely of any use, so why do i need to see it…

bookmarklet-
i was unaware of this, thanks!

sorting-
a manual sort. move a bookmark one up or down with a little button. These applications are commonly used to show clients website examples. So usually we will make a page, group or account for them to brows competitive or conceptually similar pages. It is helpful to be able to manually reorder them.

pictures-
yea kinda unnecessary and i see the criticism that its far too bandwidth heavy and problematic.

thanks much
-b
post by zamiang on 2008-05-01

case-sensitive tags - any chance of it happening?

Sun, 27 May 2007 16:31:40 -0000

discussion |tag | post by jeffreyjflim on 2007-05-27

as per subject. I was wondering whether this would be implemented... It may not sound like much, but hey, mixed-case and selective-case tags can be good for organizing, and for the visual effect...
post by jeffreyjflim on 2007-05-27
post by fridemar on 2007-05-28
Thanks for both of your input.

Tagging impacts both organization and search result. Although there are certain pros as suggested, we also need to carefully consider many cons the case-sensitive tags will bring, such as existing tags, potential bigger mess in retrieving community tags (information ended up less easily found because everyone has different tagging convention, misspelling due to different cases, etc....), not a convention supported by all other services and search engines - this may lead lots of complication in data import / export / sync, etc, etc. ...
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-29
maggie_diigo wrote:
> Thanks for both of your input.
>
> Tagging impacts both organization and search result. Although there are certain pros as suggested, we also need to carefully consider many cons the case-sensitive tags will bring, such as existing tags, potential bigger mess in retrieving community tags (information ended up less easily found because everyone has different tagging convention, misspelling due to different cases, etc....), not a convention supported by all other services and search engines - this may lead lots of complication in data import / export / sync, etc, etc. ...
>

thanks, Maggie for ur consideration of the input. First of all, i would like to say that what i am suggesting is case sensitive storage of the tags - and not so much case *differentiation*. ie., (using an example) the tag "CaseSensitive" should NOT somehow be differentiated from the tag "cASeSeNSiTivE" (as if we cared about using the 2 separately!). So in that sense i understand ur points about the cons (potential mess, information not found due to case differences).

I understand the concerns that u may have, but for me, the use of capitalization info would just make the tag *so* much more information rich. Implementation-wise, this is what i would suggest:
- the first time a tag is created, it is stored as is case-wise. This will in future be the "reference case implementation" for the tag
- for all future tags: to check for tag equivalence in future tag operations, simply just do a lowercase() operation, and then compare. All tags that are found to be equivalent through this process to an already created tag should therefore be switched to (with the appropriate case copys) the already existing tag. Therefore, tagging an article with "rubyinsight" would be the same as tagging it with your first "RubyInsight" tag.

Would this help to take care of the cons? Search engines (+ other services) -wise, diigo can carry on to use the already default lowercase (so that the exising links + PR are still there, and will be preserved). I only ask that we be able to have the case as stored presented to us as we originally meant it... ie. in the "My Bookmarks" display, and in the tag cloud.
post by jeffreyjflim on 2007-05-29
Maggie...

I fully understand your reservations about supporting case sensitive tags, but after considerable research I have come to the conclusion that I personally should not hold back, just because many others are not yet concerned about something. (Since my obvious bias in favour of this is already showing, I should probably state that it comes from years of integrating wikis into Information Technologies; even going so far as to accept them as one of my primary productivity tools.)

One suggestion that may 'bridge the gap' is the use of a presonal preferences switch. Unfortunately, I do not know enough about the DiiGo (see... I'm such a creature of habit that I automatically used CamelCase) to know if this would be so obviously prohibitively expensive, that it should be ruled out immediately, or not.

One of the reasons that I am supporting this request is evident if you look at the Tags that I've been creating here. Obviously my needs for visual distinction are such that I've gone to considerable lengths to devise tags that use special characters to differentiate them. This is even more important to me since one of the very nice features I rely on DiiGo for , is its generation of RssFeeds for tag sets that are 'intersections' of tags (logical ANDs). These feeds are automatically routed to other web services applications I rely on, dramatically increasing the value of the Bookmarks that I create here and apply Tags to.

For you additional information, this is of sufficient value to me that I now frequently find myself wondering about DiiGo's Business Model. After all, I would be negligent if I become dependant upon something wthout knowing what I am likely to have to pay for it in the longer term. In effect, what I'm saying is DiiGo is sufficiently valuable to me, that I worry about its financial viability, since I don't see how you are generating Revenues to offset the obvious Expenses.

But, I've "digressed."

DiiGo is a womderful service. I sincerely hope it prospers since I find it very helpful and obviously would like to be able to keep using it. Ideally, I'd even like to be able to offer reasonable suggestions regarding possible enhancements.

Regards,
-- HansWobbe.
post by hanswobbe on 2007-05-30
Thanks for more helpful input from you all. We will discuss more here to consider preserving tag cases for display, not for search. Of course, we need to figure out a good way to resolve the long tag UI display issue as well...

Glad you like Diigo. Judging from your comment, you should be quite an expert user- love to have your feedback and active participation.

Despite lots of hypes and noises out there, we're focused in executing our vision - it will only become richer and richer in all aspects and become even more useful. We're idealists with lots of practical business sense. Diigo plans to be around for a long, long time :-)
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-30
maggie_diigo wrote:
> Thanks for more helpful input from you all.

:)

> We will discuss more here to consider preserving tag cases for display, not for search. Of course, we need to figure out a good way to resolve the long tag UI display issue as well...

yup. Imposing an artificial "12-character limit" on a tag doesnt sound like good information management (which of course, i presume diigo is all about!).

>
> Glad you like Diigo. Despite lots of hypes and noises out there, we're focused in executing our vision - it will only become richer and richer in all aspects and become even more useful. We're idealists with lots of practical business sense. Diigo plans to be around for a long, long time :-)

that's good to hear. I'm starting to think about the feasibility of actually putting all of my stuff into diigo. And if i ever get to start on my research project, i'll likely recommend to the team taking a look at diigo as well...
post by jeffreyjflim on 2007-05-30

Comments from the Diigo community

Suggestion: CaseSensitiveTags

If you preserve case for viewing in
your database anyhow, then it would be a neglectable overhead (in terms
of computing time) to offer the users of the tag-search function both
options:

CaseSensitiveSearch: (with Case enabled)
CaseInsensitiveSearch: (with Case disabled)

MayAllBeHappy
Fridemar

by fridemar less than a minute ago

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post by fridemar on 2007-05-31

I second the vote for case-sensitivity. Doesn't need to differentiate for searches, but just for personal use, saving them how I type them would be lovely.

jeffreyjflim wrote:
> as per subject. I was wondering whether this would be implemented... It may not sound like much, but hey, mixed-case and selective-case tags can be good for organizing, and for the visual effect...
post by davido on 2007-05-31
SupportingTheCase

Thank you Davido,

for supporting the "case" :-).

But why restricting this time-proven concept of MixedCase only to personal tagging.
Aren't we not an an initiative for SocialBookmarking and SocialCooperation?

And why excluding it from searches?
MixedCase better interfaces with the thousands of WikiCommunities.

MixedCaseTags are a great filter for this purpose.

MayAllBeHappy
Fridemar

Manually tagging all WikiWords as tags. AutoTagging would be a great help:

SupportingTheCase

MixedCase
...
post by fridemar on 2007-06-01
there are basically three options regarding the issue of case-sensitive tags

1. not case-sensitive -- to my knowledge, this option is actually taken by almost all social bookmarking services. please advise if you see otherwise.

2. case-sensitive for both display and search --- basically treat them as separate tags

3. case-sensitive for display but not for search. In this case, if you use both "TAGS", and "tags", we need to show just one of the two and merge their usage counts. but which one should be displayed. A simple
solution is to display the first one used --- for example, "TAGS" instead of "tags", if you used TAGS in any bookmark first. You can also edit the displayed tags of course.

what do you think of option 3), which is easier to implement than option 2?

also, note that option 2 can make searching by tags a little problematic.
post by wade on 2007-06-02
SupportingTheCase

Hello Wade,

thank you for taking the "case" seriously. The decision for supporting case is a strategic one.

Ad
1) Not case-sensitive: Even if all other
DiigoAffiliatedBookmarkingServices would restrict their engines on
not-case-sensitive, this would be not a serious problem to stick to
StrongCaseSensitivity You could transfer to them the MixedCase and
leave them the decision, wether they apply a
"converttolowercasefunction", hampering the reading quality and
depriving them from a lot of fast analytical operations on tags.

Ad 2) Case-sensitive for both display and search: If the underlying database respects case, then"IBM"
(TM), the trademark of this computer-company and "iBM", a possible rival product of IBM to the iPod of the Apple (TM) company, are indeed different and need to be respected as valuable tags. It is no problem
to delete the "converttolowercasefunction" call somewhere in the DiigoEngine.

You see not only communities of programmers will have an enormous gain,
when using CaseSensitiveTags, correctly handled by the DiigoEngine.

Ad 3) Case-sensitive for display but not for search: Please don't put this
unnecessary burdon (of editing tag appearances) on millions of Diigo
users.

MayAllBeHappy

fridemar
post by fridemar on 2007-06-02
i definately wouldn't want case sensitivity to cause different tags.. eg: "Tech" and "tech".. that would be very annoying.. as for case display, I guess that would be ok... but it'd probably make my tags look much more messy and confusing..

I'd probably capitalise some tags, but forget on others, and to the TYpo thing of capitalising 2 letters accidentally.

I think that merging singles and plurals would be a much more useful addition. Eg: "game" and "games" would both be merged into the same tag automatically.
post by soulgrind on 2007-06-03
May I ask why it would be definitely annoying?

My interest for asking is that I am currently of the opinion that I (personally) would really like to have Case sensitivity for reasons that I consider to be "pros". Since there obviously, there may be "Cons" that I've over-looked, I'm curious as to the reasons you may have.

Thanks, in advance...
post by hanswobbe on 2007-06-03
#2
AllLowerCaseModeForTagsAsOption:

alllowercasemodefortagsasoption

Hi Soulgrind:

I can feel with you and all the other peers, who are used to work in a relaxed way without the need to bother about the case. As long as Diigo is used for private tagging, why not.

But when subcommunities within the DiiGo sphere want to build SocialCollaboration they need precise tags. Think of distributed teams of C++ programmers, who are very sensitive in questions of case.

For non-programmers, please rethink the iPOD (TM) versus iBM (TM) example.

Your example could be used for differentiating tags by TypingShortCuts

Tech=HIghTech
tech=LowTech

In the author's view this is not at all "annoying". It is indeed very convenient.

It takes some carefulness of the SocialTagCommunityUser, but they will learn the advantage of CaseSensitivity very fast, as soon as they see more examples. On the other hand, as Maggie pointed out, the (private) tags remain editable.

Even the PluralSingularIssue, well known in the different WikiCommunities, would have a total different importance in TagCommunities.

"game" and "games" could precisely
differentiate between a site, devoted to one game only versus a site,
where more than one game is offered.

MayAllBeHappy
fridemar
post by fridemar on 2007-06-03
Dear Maggie, dear Diigos,

please see the above page with manually inserted Google-links, to get a feeling of the power of AutomaticTagging, based on WikiWords.

By the Way. There is some bug in the annotation engine. It doesn't support HTML, as this forum supports it. As test, please click the following links in the forum posting. Then for comparison click the links in the annotation.

fridemar.

SupportingTheCase

Hello Wade,
thank you for taking the "case" seriously. The decision for supporting case is a strategic one.

Ad 1) Not case-sensitive: Even if all other DiigoAffiliatedBookmarkingServices would restrict their engines on not-case-sensitive, this would be not a serious problem to stick to StrongCaseSensitivity You could transfer to them the MixedCase
and leave them the decision, wether they apply a
"converttolowercasefunction", hampering the reading quality and
depriving them from a lot of fast analytical operations on tags.

Ad 2) Case-sensitive for both display and search: If the underlying database respects case, then
"IBM" (TM), the trademark of this computer-company and "iBM", a possible rival product of IBM to the iPod
of the Apple (TM) company, are indeed different and need to be
respected as valuable tags. It is no problem to delete the
"converttolowercasefunction" somewhere in the DiigoEngine.
You see not only communities of programmers will have an enormous gain, when using CaseSensitiveTags, correctly handled by the DiigoEngine.

Ad 3) Case-sensitive for display but not for search: Please don't put this unnecessary burdon (of editing tag appearances) on millions of Diigo users.

MayAllBeHappy

fridemar

PS.: A simple realization for Diigo-, Trailfire and other social annotation services for AutomaticTagging is given in the above text by manually making transforming all WikiWords into GoogleSearchLinks.
post by fridemar on 2007-06-07
as we develop our next-gen tag engine, we will be allowing case-sensitivities. this will take some time. stay tuned.
post by wade on 2007-06-07
Thank you wade,

so my work to convince you, wasn't a waste of time.

You might want to have a look at http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?TagWiki and on
http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?TagWikiContest.

I keep my fingers crossed.
fridemar

PS.:
By the way, why don't you offer a uniform WysiWyg input field for all postings, comments, sticky notes? You have the modules. Your rich text input offers more options, than the input-field of TrailFire, but it would be practical to have the sourceview too.

wade wrote:
> as we develop our next-gen tag engine, we will be allowing case-sensitivities. this will take some time. stay tuned.
post by fridemar on 2007-06-07
Fridemar...

Would you like to join me in structuring requests into a bit more of an "architecture"? What I mean by that is...

* The many of the wiki solutions you are promoting already contain WysiWyg capabilities, so it should be possible for us to design a few effective HyperText "pragmas" that provide a relatively seamless way of melding the best function of each core component. Consider, for example, the ability to merely have a Diigo Sticky appear within a wiki page as as part of a standard oddmuse TransClusion.
** I think this would avoid "re-inventing" the wheel AND would allow individual SubWikis to retain their own "look and feel" through their existing ability to overlay local CSS.

I think it would be relatively easy to demonstrate the potential by simply designing a layout and a static HTML prototype using the free resources of the .../ODD/ wikiHive.

Interested? -- HansWobbe

> By the way, why don't you offer a uniform WysiWyg input field for all postings, comments, sticky notes? You have the modules. Your rich text input offers more options, than the input-field of TrailFire, but it would be practical to have the sourceview too.
post by hanswobbe on 2007-06-07
This will be very helpful. Ideas cannot be translated into reality, unless everything is carefully thought out and architected.

Also, without sounding disrespectful, some of the messages are extremely cryptic and hard to follow. To facilitate productive discussion, may I suggest as much "plain" language as possible.

I suggest we take this new line of discussion to another group
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-06-08
WikiAnnotationByTransclusion

Hello

Dear Maggie, dear Hans

the idea of combining annotation with transclusion is an excellent idea of HansWobbe. This solves several problem with one clap:

* UrlBasedAnnotation: now each annotation can have it's own Url like TrailFire does it, but with the added advantage, that those WikiPageUrls have the form: WikiPrefixColonFollowedByWikiPagename and not only coded by cryptic numbers. So the readability in GoogleSearchResults is improved.

* GlobalWikiEngineSupport:
** EachWikiAnnotationAsPartialPageOrFullpage 'quite normal windows, no more tiny stickies, that must be manually resized.'
** EachWikiAnnotationWithLookAndFeelConserved

* LocalWikiEngineSupport 'where each wiki word is tagged automatically by a TagWiki'

The main advantage appears to be using host wikis as source for RichLinkContext and NestingOfAnnotations in the sense of KaPingYee, who invented WebAnnotation. This means each WikiPage itself can be annotated or edited, thus CreatingSpaceForSocialCollaboration.

Some people may object, if you have a WikiPage, you don't need annotations.

If millions of peers of the social annotations communities, would edit the WikiPedia, what a mess.
Unobtrusive annotations solve the problem.

MayAllBeHappy

-- fridemar
post by fridemar on 2007-06-08
Has this discussion been moved to a new group?

If so, what is it?

In any case (no pun intended) please note my vote IN FAVOR of maintaining the case of the characters entered by the user.

Isn't there some maxim of User Interface Design that states: Do Not Change What the User has entered--unless, of course, you're the Post Office.

As for being difficult to maintain the proper case for other bookmarking services...Oh What a PITA--that Pain In The Ass--it is to be a leader. Worst case maintain a field for each foreign service with which you support import/export and keep this field in the appropriate case.

--Dan
maggie_diigo wrote:
> This will be very helpful. Ideas cannot be translated into reality, unless everything is carefully thought out and architected.
>
> Also, without sounding disrespectful, some of the messages are extremely cryptic and hard to follow. To facilitate productive discussion, may I suggest as much "plain" language as possible.
>
> I suggest we take this new line of discussion to another group
post by dme212 on 2008-03-05
we hear you. it will be made case-sensitive soon.
post by wade on 2008-03-05
This was a bugbear with me - but just tested it - it's working - thanks Diigo!

wade wrote:
> we hear you. it will be made case-sensitive soon.
post by windyn on 2008-03-10
Hey wade,

what is "soon", within 1day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, this decade ... ;-)

MayAllBeHappy

-- fridemar

PS.:
This posting is not blogged on my SocialCommonWealth blog.

wade wrote:
> we hear you. it will be made case-sensitive soon.
post by fridemar on 2008-03-10
ah, "month" is a longest time unit in our development plan :)

fridemar wrote:
> Hey wade,
>
> what is "soon", within 1day, 1 week, 1 month, 1 year, this decade ... ;-)
>
> MayAllBeHappy
>
> -- fridemar
>
> PS.:
> This posting is not blogged on my SocialCommonWealth blog.
>
>
>
> wade wrote:
> > we hear you. it will be made case-sensitive soon.
post by wade on 2008-03-11
*skipping to the end of the thread*

I'd like to vote against case sensitive tagging. Several other services i used had it, and people were asking for it to be removed. Ideally I'd like everything reduced to lower case, so its consistent.. and if possible plurals to be ignored too.

With case sensitive tags its too easy to end up with loads of similar tags that you really wanted to be all the same thing. eg: Book, book, BOok (typo), Books, books, BOoks, etc..

keeping things simple, single case, and having book = books makes autocomplete work faster, and makes all your tags more organised. (half the reason delicious needs tag bundles is do deal with the problems of duplicate tags.
post by soulgrind on 2008-03-19
well, we are making it even smarter than what you want :-)

so tag case will be preserved while displaying, but ignored for search.

in tag cloud, if you used both "book" and "Book" as tags at different times, then we only show the last one you use.
post by wade on 2008-03-19
awesome!

Can you do the same for plurals? ;-)
post by soulgrind on 2008-03-19
Hi wade,

even, if you don't make EachCamelCaseWordAnAutomaticTag in an annotation, saving the user from the stupid work, to rewrite/copy+paste them each in the tag-list....

...please, please make them at least simple automatic Google-searchlinks. (In addition you can make them later double-links [one pointing to some internal or external host WikiDatabase, and another one pointing to Google's or another database].)

Google really indexes very,very long Tags as you can verify in http://google.com/search?q=GoogleTagWiki , take the first Meatball entry.
These search-words are not buried under thousand other irrelevant hits.

The longer the mixed-case tags, the more precise, the more probably it becomes, that community-oriented cooperative people can find each other via Google to collaborate via the Web in a very profound way.

And Diigo could take a leading position in Web 2.0.... But don't sleep to long.
As soon as Google realizes the idea itself with built in micro-payment, then it has the better cards.

I hope, that not all is lost.

Fridemar

wade wrote:
> well, we are making it even smarter than what you want :-)
post by fridemar on 2008-03-19

Would it be applied the drag&drop moving in MyBookmarks & My Groups too?

Thu, 11 Oct 2007 00:14:38 -0000

Hi Maggie!

My old theme the moving of bookmarks....
I'm actually very glad to see the movable bookmarks (rearranging their arbitrary order), but it is applied on in the MyLists view.

I can understand the very cleverly cooked several of views & functionality of possible arrangement/filtering and action in the different frontages
(for example: In MyBokmarks All/Unread/Public/Private - filtering by specifc tags - Comment/Edit/....MyList, MyTags, MyGroups.. etc..)

But it would be also very useful to add the moving feature of any already bookmarked page both in MyBookmarks & MyGroup frontage!
1. Owing to if one uses the MyBookmarks/My Groups' bookmarks only looking into the abbreviated annotations (which is also a cool feature of diigo:)) one would wish to arrange the reading order
2. If one bookmarked pages in a read sequence (byTime) but wish to change its reading order in MyBookmarks view he must delete the bookmarked pages and re-bookmark them again. This also entrainsdoing those same actions in MyGroups if the bookmarked pages had been shared immedately by toolbar option setting.
3. The MyLists feature allows this but, it is not allowed in MyGroups..

The moving feature also in both of frontages would be a very time.consuming feature

Thanks for your answer
post by iplnts on 2007-10-11

Would it be applied the -List - feature at MyGroups

Wed, 10 Oct 2007 23:35:43 -0000

Hi Maggie!

I welcome your - List - feature (&WebSlide widgets) it is really Cool!

Would it be somehow shared - only selected specific lists - with my Group(s)?

Thanks, for your answer
post by iplnts on 2007-10-10

Cache

Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:53:42 -0000

cache |discussion | post by maggie_diigo on 2007-04-11

~ Posted by John Knight

I LOVE the cache function.

However, it would be even better if the cache included the
highlight/note.

Also, a couple of pages didn't cache: is there ever a delay? will they
be cached eventually? If not, is there a way pages can be 're-cached'?

Thanks,
John
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-04-11
~ Posted by Catweazel

John Knight wrote:
> I LOVE the cache function.
>
> However, it would be even better if the cache included the
> highlight/note.

Which advantage would that have? I just tested whether comments and
notes are already included in full-text searches and they actually are.
So, that can't be the advantage.

> Also, a couple of pages didn't cache: is there ever a delay? will they
> be cached eventually? If not, is there a way pages can be 're-cached'?

Here are two relevant threads:

Thread "Full Text Search doesn't work":
http://forum.diigo.com/topic/350#1216

Core message: There may a delay sometimes but it should be short. In
most cases, the pages will be cached immediately (this is my
experience).

Thread "Can I update cached pages?":
http://forum.diigo.com/topic/194#630

Core message: If a page has already been cached, it cannot be re-cached.
The first version of a cached page will always stay the cached version.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-04-11
~ Posted by John

The point of the cache is to preserve pages that might otherwise be
removed from the web.

If a page is removed from the web, the cached version and the notes are
separate entities. One cannot see them together as is normally the case.

Also, when I'm on a computer that doesn't have diigo installed, I again
want to be able to access the cached version with the notes overlaid.
Otherwise, again they are two separate entities.

So, what happens when a page isn't cached after several hours?
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-04-11
~ Posted by Catweazel

John Knight wrote:
> The point of the cache is to preserve pages that might otherwise be
> removed from the web.
>
> If a page is removed from the web, the cached version and the notes are
> separate entities. One cannot see them together as is normally the case.
>
> Also, when I'm on a computer that doesn't have diigo installed, I again
> want to be able to access the cached version with the notes overlaid.
> Otherwise, again they are two separate entities.

OK, now I can see your points.

> So, what happens when a page isn't cached after several hours?

Normally, caching shouldn't take that long. But I do not know the answer
to your question because I am just a Diigo user myself. Unless you have
put a lot of work into the page by higlighting sections and adding
comments/notes, you could try to delete that page from your personal
bookmark collection and add it again. Maybe that helps.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-04-11
John,

Thanks for your input. Will consider offering that option. Meanwhile, try clicking on the "about" link for each bookmark - you will see lots of related stuff all nicely presented there.

Caching normally shouldn't take too long, but once in a while our servers get quite busy and some delay may occur. Also, once in a while, certain few pages have somewhat strange behaviors and are not being properly cached - we're looking into that as we're further optimizing our search capability now.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-04-11
maggie_diigo wrote:
> John,
>
> Thanks for your input. Will consider offering that option. Meanwhile, try clicking on the "about" link for each bookmark - you will see lots of related stuff all nicely presented there.
>

Just to reiterate (and since this isn't the case yet...) annotations really *should* go with the cached page. Otherwise... what's the point of the cache? Is diigo a *cache*ing service??? or is diigo an annotation service?? neither here... nor there???
post by jeffreyjflim on 2007-07-15

[Discussion] Please assist us fighting spam

Fri, 27 Apr 2007 09:17:22 -0000

discussion |spam | post by maggie_diigo on 2007-04-27

I really hate spam - annoying and wasting everyone's, including their own time.

We've just added a few things that we'd appreciate our community users' help when notice spam:

1) Each bookmark now has a "Flag as spam" button
2) User - "Flag as spammer"
3) A spam control link under the footer of every single page:

-----
"Report Abuse & Junk"
-----

It is important that the Diigo environment is properly maintained. For
this, we'd really need the help of all Diigo users:

If you see any spam, graffiti or simply useless junk, please report them
by clicking that link and reporting the URL / any comment you wish
(optional)

In particular, we would like to set a high standard for a public sticky
note: unless it adds something informative and substantive to the
associated webpage, it is considered junk and may be removed.

We will continue monitoring and rolling out tighter spam /junk control
measures. If you have suggestions, please kindly share them here.

Thanks for your active support. Together, let's make Diigo a really
awesome place for all to enjoy!
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-04-27
Excellent!

Let's keep spammers away!!
post by dantheman on 2007-04-29
Spam control is essential. These are good features.
post by gollyjer on 2007-04-29
Again, like to re-iterate, if you notice any spam, please kindly flag them as spam bookmark or spammer.

Diigo reserves the right to delete any abuse / user account that we deem as spam. Each group admin / moderator also has the right to determine what to delete and who to ban from the group.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-06-21
maggie_diigo wrote:
> Again, like to re-iterate, if you notice any spam, please kindly flag them as spam bookmark or spammer.
>
> Diigo reserves the right to delete any abuse / user account that we deem as spam.

What about someone withing a group not displaying links that fall into the category?
How can you flag them?
post by dantheman on 2007-06-21
If you notice any abuse in a group, please inform the group creator / administrator - he/ she has the right to ban the user, or assign moderator right to any of the group members.

When V3 is introduced, we will make the communication among members even easier.

Of course, if there is any issue, please don't hesitate to inform us at info at diigo dot com. We'll continue taking lots of measures - along with all our members' help, we want to make Diigo a meaningful platform where all community members can benefit from quality collective wisdom knowledge sharing.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-06-21

Why i can't see the clipped pictures? -->> how to clip picture vs. video

Sat, 09 Jun 2007 12:45:03 -0000

clip |discussion |picture | post by iplnts on 2007-06-09

Hi!

I can't see the clipped pictures either in MyBookmarks Expanded view or MyGropps Bookmarks expanded view. Could it be looked after?
Thanks,
post by iplnts on 2007-06-09
Please give us some URLs to look into. Thanks

Also, what version toolbar do you have? Please make sure you have the latest version (go to My Tools" to check
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-06-11
Hi Maggie!

here is the link.
My link
Maggie i think this link will be opened in a new window. There is no problem in browser view only in the MyBookmarks/Group Bookmarks Expeanded view. Additionally I put this bookmark public until, i don't know it helps to see or not.
I'm using Version: 1.0.2007053100 toolbar.
Thanks for your looking after.

maggie_diigo wrote:
> Please give us some URLs to look into. Thanks
>
> Also, what version toolbar do you have? Please make sure you have the latest version (go to My Tools" to check
post by iplnts on 2007-06-12
Are you referring to those "star images" on that page?

I tried it and it seems ok - basically you just need to "clip" those image using our highlight function (they are not video nor flash -- "Clipit" is only for video clipping). Just use your mouse to select the image and click diigo to highlight http://www.diigo.com/help/highlight/1. You will see "collected to diigo" message shown briefly on the upper left corner of the picture that you just "clipped"

Please check again and advise.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-06-13
Hi Maggie!

I checked, but the pictures did not appear even yet..
If you see my given link above in browser view you can see pictures embedded in the text highlights. (They are not stars:)
I highlighted them normally as embedded pictures in the text - not using the clipit.
The pictures appears as | symbol when i view this link (the bookmark name: The Stargate of Atlantis) in My Bookmarks Expanded view.

- Would it be the problem that this and all of my bookmarks are 'private'?
- Have you get at My Bookmarks Expanded view somehow, or i must take this (or those problematic) bookmarks public to be checked by you?

This same problem also appears in My Group Bookmarks Expanded view. In which these bookmarks also are 'private', as my group is also private.

- Are the Diigo functions somehow restricted using them 'private' mode?

By the way, i sent you earlier an invitation to join to my private group, to see and check those problems and to be a partner if you are interesting about this theme.
--------------------
Seizing the opportunity here, and not opening an another topics because of your above given help link regards also to the embedded highlighted links,

There is also problem with the highlighted links. When i highlight only a (standalone) link which is not embedded in a text, the link sometimes is retained sometimes not, when i see in MyBookmarks/My Groups Expanded view! (it worked earlier well) Would be the problem again the 'private' mode?

See: for example the
Los Cambios Geneticos bookmark in My Bookmark Expanded view
of which link is (see in a browser view)
My link

Maggie! Thanks for your looking after!

> Are you referring to those "star images" on that page?

> I tried it and it seems ok - basically you just need to "clip" those image using our highlight function (they are not video nor flash -- "Clipit" is only for video clipping). Just use your mouse to select the image and click diigo to highlight http://www.diigo.com/help/highlight/1. You will see "collected to diigo" message shown briefly on the upper left corner of the picture that you just "clipped"
>
> Please check again and advise.
post by iplnts on 2007-06-13

[Discussion] bookmarks access suggestion

Wed, 06 Jun 2007 07:42:55 -0000

bookmark |discussion |feature | post by troycauble on 2007-06-06

I'd love it if the bookmark button on the toolbar could be configured to show me a two level menu, tags then bookmarks. I think this would be better than the "edit filter" mechanism.
post by troycauble on 2007-06-06
troycauble ,

Thanks for the input. What do other people feel about this? Pros vs. Cons
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-06-07
maggie_diigo wrote:
> troycauble ,
>
> Thanks for the input. What do other people feel about this? Pros vs. Cons

Yes, would be a great improvement.
I would especially like if I could add several filters to the main drop down, especially if they could have a set of categories per filter, not only one. Hmmm. That is in fact what I hoped the "bookmark groups" feature would bring, but I would also want to group across existing bookmark groups. But the bookmark groups should be available as filters there. But really useful if we could manage a list of such filters, not only one at the time.
post by fuzbolero on 2007-06-08
I too like this suggestion. I have seen something similar elsewhere. This two level menu could provide a lot of information in a structured way.
post by ollitolli on 2007-06-08

Bookmark Filter

Mon, 28 May 2007 02:08:42 -0000

bookmarks |discussion |feature | post by loyola on 2007-05-28

Let's assume I have bookmarked a page and I am now viewing it. What I would like to see is an option on the bookmarks filter to show pages which have

1) Exactly the same tags as the one I am viewing
2) Any of the tags on the page I am viewing.

Effectivey, a "Show similar pages" filter.
post by loyola on 2007-05-28
A new feature will be forthcoming - stay tuned...
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-29
Also, an easily accessible link to Unread Items would be very handy. Either as a toolbar button, or as a preset filer.
post by soulgrind on 2007-05-30
soulgrind,

There is currently a "unread" tab in "My bookmarks" - please check it out and let us know what you think
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-06-02

[Wanted] Call for interesitng Diigo applications / usecases - we want to hear from you (particularly educators!!!!)

Fri, 18 May 2007 10:36:34 -0000

discussion |testiomonial |usecase | post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-18

Hi everyone,

We're preparing some marketing material and evaluate some new features. We would really love to hear and talk to some of you to see how Diigo is being used, and in what industry and application.

I'd particularly like to talk to some educators and see how Diigo is being used in a classroom setting. Of course, all industry and applications are very welcome and appreciated! Bet there are a lot of creative ways in Diigo that we don't even realize yet :-)

Please feel free to to share your experience here, or drop me an email to info at diigo dot com discuss in private. I really, really, really, really want to hear from you. Best chance to get one-on-one with me :-) and get your testimonial showcased.

Thanks so much for your help in advance,

cheers,

~ Maggie

PS. We'll do a Diigo usecase / application contest soon (need to do some prep work here) - all of your contribution here will also be considered as part of the forthcoming contest. Please also help us think along to see what will make this contest attractive. Thanks a lot
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-18
Not sure if that's what you mean but here's something I do:

I use the feed of one of my tags as a additional Linkblog for my blogreaders. I let display the titles in the sidebar but also give the feed away to my readers (via feedburner to track the statistics) so that they can read the parts of the articles I have highlighted with diigo. kind of summaries or 'most interesting parts'.

(although I just discovered that you have disabled the delivering of the highlights within the feeds? on my feed right now are only the links to the bookmarked sites)
post by marcel on 2007-05-18
HI Maggie!

I dropped you an email to your address regarding to this theme.

I'm curious hearing form you
cheers,

maggie_diigo wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> We're preparing some marketing material and evaluate some new features. We would really love to hear and talk to some of you to see how Diigo is being used, and in what industry and application.
>
> I'd particularly like to talk to some educators and see how Diigo is being used in a classroom setting. Of course, all industry and applications are very welcome and appreciated! Bet there are a lot of creative ways in Diigo that we don't even realize yet :-)
>
> Please feel free to to share your experience here, or drop me an email to info at diigo dot com discuss in private. I really, really, really, really want to hear from you. Best chance to get one-on-one with me :-) and get your testimonial showcased.
>
> Thanks so much for your help in advance,
>
> cheers,
>
> ~ Maggie
>
> PS. We'll do a Diigo usecase / application contest soon (need to do some prep work here) - all of your contribution here will also be considered as part of the forthcoming contest. Please also help us think along to see what will make this contest attractive. Thanks a lot
post by iplnts on 2007-05-22
Besides these public posts, I've also received several emails. Thanks.

Please continue keep your feedback / input coming. Love to hear and learn from you.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-23
Maggie,

I am going to send you an e-mail about the educational uses of Diigo from the perspective of a student of online education, but I also wanted to mention a useful business application that a friend of mine used Diigo for.

He is a web designer and using Diigo enables him to have in-situ "conversations" with his clients about design and content issues. Prior to Diigo he says there was confusion about precisely what was being discussed, but now with highlighting and sticky notes, there is no doubt and interaction between him and his clients is far easier. Some clients have joined Diigo and he is able to create a group with them, but for those clients who are intimidated by technology, he can foward to them and then they e-mail him. Even that he says helps tremendously.

maggie_diigo wrote:
> Besides these public posts, I've also received several emails. Thanks.
>
> Please continue keep your feedback / input coming. Love to hear and learn from you.
post by loyola on 2007-05-29
Great.

Also, thanks for sharing http://writerresponsetheory.org/wordpress/2007/02/09/marginalia-in-the-library-of-babel

Using Diigo as a tool for creating fiction - fantastic idea!
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-30

How to close a solved post?

Wed, 16 May 2007 03:45:43 -0000

discussion |feature |forum | post by iplnts on 2007-05-16

Hi!

Although my question seems to be scary, there i a little reason for putting it!
I'm a little familiar with the difference of goal of using a ticket sytem used for helpdesk and forum. I understand too, a normal forum thread not same as a ticket thread.
But, in connection with my ealier question about DiigoLab

http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/413

If there is no strict distinguished possibility to handle a general discussion and the technical problems which latter would be solved by a tickect sytem feature which enable to close a thread when it is solved...the forum may become increasingly unembraceable as the topics grow.

suggestion: Probably, it would be applied a coloured or not or combo-dropdown + information field named 'ToDo' or 'Tasks' (chooseable: unanswered yet, hanging, on ToDo, solved...) put on to the forum header.

It can be also coupled with to help and improve the perspicuity of threading
discussed at topic: Threaded Annotation
Re: http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/337

and also would be combined with a similar new chooseable drop-drow combo field on the forum header (rather than tags view) more simply for directing the goal of change of highlighting
dicussed at topic: New highlight colors
Re: http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/144

Thanks for your considering.
post by iplnts on 2007-05-16
Hi,

Very good points here. Thanks very much for actively thinking along and sharing! Really appreciate it :-)

We have an internal tracking system for feature / bugs, etc, but not in a forum env't. Will discuss more here.

However, while this is a very desirable feature, we need to carefully juggle our development priorities, given our limited resources. Do we spend our time on mission-critical features development, vs. a desirable enhancement but much less direct impact to Diigo growth? Good challenge to us :-)
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-16
HI! Maggie!

My programmer mind went a little far, I understand your concepts.
Even so if you have sufficient capacity for it your system may be really more refined and truly in profession of using the best abilitiies of (Aadobe & Google NoteBook. etc) combined in one!

maggie_diigo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Very good points here. Thanks very much for actively thinking along and sharing! Really appreciate it :-)
>
> We have an internal tracking system for feature / bugs, etc, but not in a forum env't. Will discuss more here.
>
> However, while this is a very desirable feature, we need to carefully juggle our development priorities, given our limited resources. Do we spend our time on mission-critical features development, vs. a desirable enhancement but much less direct impact to Diigo growth? Good challenge to us :-)
post by iplnts on 2007-05-17

improve the Diigo Group Forum with a ranking system

Wed, 16 May 2007 03:01:45 -0000

discussion |feature |forum |vote | post by iplnts on 2007-05-16

Hi!

suggestion: The ranking sytem would be allowed both for the user and censured over by the owner setting the priority order based on using a little examine pop-up window hovering the mouse over a topic's head which can bring forth the content of the topic without opening that. Both the ranking sytem and the pop-up would be useful overviewing of listed topics both for the owner and the group members before reacting.
post by iplnts on 2007-05-16
yes. somewhat related to http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/415

On our To-do.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-16
HI Maggie!

Welcome, and thanks,

maggie_diigo wrote:
> yes. somewhat related to http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/415
>
> On our To-do.
post by iplnts on 2007-05-17

Threaded Annotation

Wed, 09 May 2007 07:07:50 -0000

discussion |feature |forum | post by loyola on 2007-05-09

Chatting to a colleague who I recently introduced to Diigo, we thought it would be incredible if groups could do threaded annotations in pretty much the same way as one might do on a forum. So rather than each member of the group post their own sticky notes which could make things rather chaotic, group members would see an "Add thread" command when they were looking at other members annotations and be able to respond directly to the annotation as a thread and so on and so forth.
post by loyola on 2007-05-09
Of course, you can. That's the whole purpose of in-situ "social annotation"

Just "add comment" to follow on a sticky note conversation. Please give that a try and let us know if you have any question.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-11
Maggie,

I see I can add a comment to an existing note. but I was thinking more of the threads, than the ability to add to a comment, though I see that did not come out in my post., so in the comments we would see something like :

maggie_diigo said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to loyola on #1)

)))
maggie_diigo wrote:
> Of course, you can. That's the whole purpose of in-situ "social annotation"
>
> Just "add comment" to follow on a sticky note conversation. Please give that a try and let us know if you have any question.
post by loyola on 2007-05-14
I see.

Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"? We'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, because this is related to another new feature design that we're working on.

1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"?

2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially?

Love to hear everyone's thought on this. Thanks
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-14
maggie_diigo wrote:
> I see. >Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"?

I think it would be useful in complex threads. But such threads don't occur very often IMO.

>1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"?

I do realize this.

>2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially?

This depends on the kind of display. If the comments/replies are indented/organized in the way they are in most newsreaders, then it is easy to pay attention to which comment followed which comment. However, if the comments/replies all look the same and the information about which comment refers to another comment can only be found in the header, then most people including myself read through the thread sequentially.
post by ollitolli on 2007-05-14
Hi!

As i could understand from the sequential reading of THIS forum threads and as i looked after the things; we could speaking of two or three things ( and much else) having been overlapped.

1. A group member can add 'a comment' to an existing sticky in Browser View of an annotated page when he clicks on a link in the Group Bookmark view. That highlighted text is "blue' which marks it has a sticky. Hovering over the blue text the sticky appears and the user can choose an action to Add (a) Comment. The Comment would be Rich Text edited which is a very excellent mode to distinguish the added comment to a specific sticky.There would be made as many comments as many group members review this specific sticky and all can change the comment format in rich text editing mode. I think, there is no else neccessary information than provided by userxx made this comment under each of the comments. Owing to it is very well followable. At best the sticky editing box would be larger fitting for the actual window position. The reader can go through the highlights quickly by smooth scrolling the mouse, hovering over the blue ones and review both the stickies and their comments. I don't exactly understand what is the problem about it?
---------------------------------------------------------------
2. Second case when somebody oversees the bookmarked pages in MyBookmarks Expanded view where he can see also a sequentially listed order ( as it is in the text) of highlights and its stickies. This case of view regarded only for the owner of the group bookmarks. The owner also can glance over every notes and he can initiate a new sticky notes from this view by 'Add a Sticky'

There is an inconsistency here!!! Owing to the sticky posted by the owner from here is not a new sticky in fact. It will be displayed both in this view and also in Browser view as a comment. From this view the owner can not choose rich text editing which is a mistake, i think.
+ An additional suggestion due to the clear-cutting would be here in this view making the sequentally listed highlights to be collapsible/expandable ( as also it is in the GoogleNotebook)
+ the shadow color of highlights boxes would be consistent with the highlighting colors ( yellowish which has no sticky, bluish has sticky...)
---------------------------------------------------------------
3. Regards to the forum post. The present forum threading allows anybody to reply to any specific #n comment under a topic. Nevertheless any reply will attached to the bottom of the forum thread where the header userxx said (on date replied to useryyyy on #n)" marks which comment or reply regards to which.
It may be perhaps troublesome that someone must read through the whole of contents of a topic to understand the last comment. May be best thing inserting the reply to the bottom of content which to it regards to. I don't know whether would it be possible or not.

Please, i looked through this topics comments and i tried to give you an opinion as you asked. I hope it could give some summary and some another ideas of improving...

maggie_diigo wrote:
> I see.
>
> Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"? We'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, because this is related to another new feature design that we're working on.
>
> 1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"?
>
> 2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially?
>
> Love to hear everyone's thought on this. Thanks
post by iplnts on 2007-05-14
Maggie,

Let me provide you with some context. I am doing a Master's degree in Computer Based/Online education and a major thrust of ours is the social nature of learning. What Diigo enables for learners is the discussion (in-situ) of a web site or online journal article. These discussions could become quite involved, hence the need for threaded discussion. Personally, I would prefer to see a more conventional type of threading such as:

Post 1
Reply 1A
Reply 1Aa
Reply 1B
Post 2
Reply 2A
Reply 2B

But I think that the way of doing it in this forum might be easier to implement, which is why I specifically suggested that, but in long threads, the history is more difficult to follow.

maggie_diigo wrote:
> I see.
>
> Interesting that you point this out - wonder how important is that additional "userxxx said ...(on 05-11-2007 replied to useryyyy on #1)"? We'd like to hear other people's opinion on this, because this is related to another new feature design that we're working on.
>
> 1) Do people realize that you can reply to a specific post within a thread, or do people just default to use the last comment in a thread to "reply"?
>
> 2) For readers reading a forum discussion thread, do they really pay attention to the # on a thread, and actively trying to follow which comment is replied to which comment, or they just read through the thread sequentially?
>
> Love to hear everyone's thought on this. Thanks
post by loyola on 2007-05-16
Hi loyola!

I might be a little perplexed your thoughts about what you whished to say originally in your #1 post with my earlier #6 post. Although, i only whished to clear the differences owing to you spoke of the 'threaded annotation' originally in your # 1.

I understand your problem, and as this post start to become very long this is a very good example for how much difficult to overview and handle the 'comment threads'. I absolutely agree in that with you, it would be (perhaps) minimally good to logically insert the responses under that comment to which the replies refer to.
(I can only guess how would it be simple solved, for example manually drag them by the reviewer which is a bit miserable, but it could work, i think! )
Or i can offer here to your attention there is yet a hiperlink #n which is already allowed to jump to the appropriate comment as permalink, (as i can see, and using, but it is in fact not same you would like to see.)

There may be else improvements making the threads to be better followable not seen here, but much rather at the normal Forum View window improving the fields of forum header. Which i suggested in my more posts.

Look at them under the links as follows.

improve the Diigo Group Forum with a ranking system
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/410

Sorting/filtering the forum by author and/or author's last post
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/411

How to close a solved post?
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/414

+ as one can see also who read this ...
How nice would be also a little improving with rich text editing feature this view!!!!

see also at my post:
Allowing minimal html in the forum text
http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/412

Thanks for anyone's listening to my comments!

post by iplnts on 2007-05-16

How to turn annotation markers (highlights) on and off.

Sun, 13 May 2007 18:28:08 -0000

annotation |discussion |view | post by fridemar on 2007-05-13

Dear Maggie,
when a lot of annotations are on a page, it is cumbersome to turn them temporarily on/off. One has to sign on/off accordingly. What about offering a toggle button (or keyboard shortcut) for that.
Thank you
Fridemar
post by fridemar on 2007-05-13
Hi fridemar

We already offer a "Show Annotation" View Mode setting in the toolbar where you can easily toggle your viewing preference (All, private, group, disable).

To turn this into a keyboard shortcut, anything is doable - but question is how much demand is this feature? Also, keyboard shortcut must be executed with great care - since there may easily cause potential conflicts with other keyboard shortcuts by other popular software. Last thing we want to do is to create incompatibility, if this feature is not mission-critical and we do offer alternative solution.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-14
maggie_diigo wrote:
> Hi fridemar

>We already offer a "Show Annotation" View Mode setting in the toolbar where you can easily toggle your viewing preference (All, private, group, disable).

I think this selection button works nicely. I like having it displayed separated from the Diigo drop-down list button so that I access it more quickly.

@Fridemar: Did you know that you can have this view mode selection being displayed as a separate button in the toolbar by enabling "Show this setting on the toolbar"?
post by ollitolli on 2007-05-14
Dear Maggie, dear Ollitolli:

thank you for the hint, I wasn't aware of this button. What I was looking for, was a simple toggle on/off button for visibility.

MayAllBeHappy

Fridemar
post by fridemar on 2007-05-14

Editing tags

Wed, 09 May 2007 06:19:50 -0000

discussion |edit |feature |tag | post by iplnts on 2007-05-09

Hi!

It'd be helpful at the Bookmark Edit feature if the already existing tags could be choosen and added from a dropdown box. ( Similarly when a page is first time bookmarked or as it is here in tooltip.. It is very annoying to type again when modifiying more bookmarks.)

I have to reload the page to be the long line more tags wrapped properly.

It would be also helpful, if the edited tags could be also saved to the local bookmark after editing .
When i use the export bookmark tools the tag-mappas are not retained.. It is also very annoying to create individually every changed or new tag-mappas in the local bookmark.

Thanls for your help.
iplnts
post by iplnts on 2007-05-09
iplnts wrote:
> Hi!
>
> It'd be helpful at the Bookmark Edit feature if the already existing tags could be choosen and added from a dropdown box. ( Similarly when a page is first time bookmarked or as it is here in tooltip.. It is very annoying to type again when modifiying more bookmarks.)

Good point - already on our To-Do list, just haven't had time to get around to it yet.

> It would be also helpful, if the edited tags could be also saved to the local bookmark after editing .
> When i use the export bookmark tools the tag-mappas are not retained.. It is also very annoying to create individually every changed or new tag-mappas in the local bookmark.

Retain tag-mappas, when you have lots of bookmarks, this feature will demand lots of performance resources. Thus, unless we have a good solution, we probably won't support this yet.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-11
Hi,

First of all, many thanks for your really quick reaction & care for many of topics.

As above:
- the export tag-mappas was not only my problem as i'd seen in the forum list.
It's ok, i understand it is very critical to solve.

The above problem about the editing tags had solved by me until a little backway. I opened the page again and again and added a new tag from the dropdown (or added a new bookmark) from the bookmark the page menu. It saved the tag-mappas to the local bookmark list as times as i had done. It worked well.

Although it is not quite same process i concerned in this question editing the tags under My Bookmark at Diigo at reviewing of my bookmarks may be really important also.
I guess (only), if the editing would be solved in this case by same way choosing from a dropdown, or tooltip and evidently it must be saved it may or it can belike update the local bookmarks already tagged.

Both of above written solve the 'exproting tag' problem for individual bookmarks, although a little laborious.

maggie_diigo wrote:
> iplnts wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > It'd be helpful at the Bookmark Edit feature if the already existing tags could be choosen and added from a dropdown box. ( Similarly when a page is first time bookmarked or as it is here in tooltip.. It is very annoying to type again when modifiying more bookmarks.)
>
> Good point - already on our To-Do list, just haven't had time to get around to it yet.
>
>
> > It would be also helpful, if the edited tags could be also saved to the local bookmark after editing .
> > When i use the export bookmark tools the tag-mappas are not retained.. It is also very annoying to create individually every changed or new tag-mappas in the local bookmark.
>
>
> Retain tag-mappas, when you have lots of bookmarks, this feature will demand lots of performance resources. Thus, unless we have a good solution, we probably won't support this yet.
post by iplnts on 2007-05-12

Diigo Tech Support? Where?

Sun, 06 May 2007 10:15:57 -0000

bug |discussion | post by ibancorp on 2007-05-06

So for the last week when i diigo a web page i've been getting this error message in the diigo pop-up window, where I would normally be able to see other people's comments, etc., saying "Sorry, the page you requested was not found.

Please check the URL for proper spelling and capitalization. If you're having trouble locating a destination on Diigo, try visiting the Diigo home page"

Other than that message, everything seemed to be working fine, when I clicked save it said page saved, so I just shrugged and moved on.

Then today I went back to a page to see a highlight, and it wasn't there. Damn.

So now I start looking around for Diigo tech support. I look all over the Help page--no luck. Nothing at all about what to do when your Diigo isn't working right.

Then I start looking for some way to contact someone--anyone(!) at Diigo to ask for help. Very difficult to find anything.

So here I am, hoping that someone can help me solve this--I've become quite dependent on Diigo!

At the same time, I can't help wondering how many other Diigo users encounter a problem and just stop using it, because they encounter the same difficulties I've found between them and a solution, and at some point it just isn't worth the hassle any more.

Help, please. Anyone?
post by ibancorp on 2007-05-06
Hi ibancorp,

You've come to the right place for Q&A and exchange viewpoints with other Diigo members.

Reading from your note, it seems that you're suggesting that "page comments" not loading in the Diigo pop-up bookmarking window. However, that error message only shows up when a particular page cannot be retrieved in Diigo website, and not related to the pop-up window. So, please advise the following:

1) What browser, and Diigo toolbar version (can retrieve this under the toolbar Diigo>>Help>>About) do you have?

2) Can you please elaborate more where you see that error message - please provide a URL if possible

Meanwhile, I will email you with the latest toolbar for you to give it a test drive.
post by maggie_diigo on 2007-05-08