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Gary Edwards

Gary Edwards

Gary Edwards

This very funny satire builds on some harsh realities. The ODF chickens have come home to roost, and it isn't pretty. Very funny, yes. But not pretty for those who continue to believe that somehow ODF is a standard worthy of their support.

The flip side of the coin is that using the same critieria of interoperability, OOXML is worthless. The sad truth is that both ODF and OOXML are applicaiton specific formats that will continue to defy and defeat all efforts at interoperability. Inparticular, it's the presentation layers of ODF and OOXML that remain bound to the layout engines and feature sets of their originating applications.

Just as the presentation layers defy interoperability, they will also defeat harmonization. The only way to harmonize two application specific formats is to harmonize the originating applications. And Microsoft, Sun and IBM are not about to do that.

The links in this satire are stunning!!! They shout loudly as to how Microsoft is going to respond to the ECIS anti trust allegations. So when you stop laughing, make certain you track down the links and read through the various OASIS ODF archive threads. IBM and Sun had their chance to fix ODF interoperability. Now it may be too late.

Tags: foundation harmonization interop oasis odf ooxml opendocument openxml on 02-09-2008 -Cached -About Shared by:Gary Edwards

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MS-OOXML supporter Rick Jellife discusses the ODF Alliance response to Ecma's proposed disposition of ISO NB comments on OOXML. The Allaince response has recieved quite a bit of ink, wtih waves of ODF jihadists pointing to it as incontroverible evidence that they are right. Rick provides a lengthy response, most of which presents the ODF jihadis with some difficult issues they must now explain.

More importantly though, RJ uncovers one of the more glaring examples proving that ODF is application specific to the core, and bound to OpenOffice. He points out that OpenOffice ODF could have chosen the W3C's highly portable and infinitely interoeprable CSS as the ODF presentation layer. This would have been a great reuse of existing standards. But that's not what happened!

Instead of the widely used CSS, OpenOffice chose an incredibly application specific presentation model with the unique innovation of "automatic-styles". And with this choice came years of problematic zero interop as application after application try to exchange ODF documents with little success.

Take for example KDE-KOffice. They've been a member of the OASIS ODF TC for near five years now, almost since the beginning. Yet it's impossible to exchange all but the most basic of documents with any of the OpenOffice derivaties (OpenOffice, StarOffice, Novell Office, and Lotus Symphony - OOo 1.1.4).

If after five years of active particpation and cooperative efforts, KOffice is unable to exchange ODF docuemnts with OpenOffice, how is it that somehow Microsoft Office would be able to implement ODF without similar zero interop results? Isn't the purpose of standardized formats that end users of different applications could effectively exchange documents?

The truth is that both ODF and OOXML are application specific formats. And you can't harmonize, merge, map, or translate between two application specific formats without also having harmonized the applications.

Fear not though. It is possible to convert an application specific format to a neutral, generic, application independent format. The W3C's family of (X)HTML formats qualify in this respect. In particular, (X)HTML-5 with CSS-3, with a CDF mix of XForms, SVG and SMiL where needed, can cover the full richness of legacy desktop productivity documents. And do so with the added advantage of being universally interoperable at this higher layer.

So the solution to ODF and OOXML interoeprability problems is not to merge or harmonize. The best approach is to convert to the universally interoperable formats provided by the W3C.

Still, one has to wonder. Why is it that first Sun with OpenOffice/StarOffice, and then the OASIS ODF TC, decided against the highly portable, incredibly interoperable CSS presentation layer in favor of an obscure, entirely application specific method unique to OpenOffice? A bad choice indeed.

~ge~

Tags: harmonization hypocrisy interop iso odf odf-alliance ooxml opendocument openxml on 02-06-2008 -Cached -About Shared by:Gary Edwards

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Great article from the Universal Interoperability Council arguing the case for CDF as a universally interoperable format capable of fully representing desktop productivity environment documents. The UIC arguments are of course opposed by IBM and the lawyer for OASIS, Andy Updegrove.

Tags: cdf ibm interop oasis odf ooxml opendocument openxml on 02-06-2008 -Cached -About Shared by:Gary Edwards

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Will the real universal document format please stand up! Comments on the recent article posted by the Universal Interoperability Council: "Putting Andy Updegrove to bed without his supper".

The UIC article is well worth your time. It is extremely well referenced and researched. The arguments put forth counter claims by IBM and OASIS that the W3C's CDF format can not be used to represent desktop productivity environment documents. Not surprisingly, IBM and OASIS argue that the OpenOffice specific ODF is the only alternative to Microsoft Office specific OOXML.

The UIC argues that the full range of MSOffice legacy binary documents and emerging XML documents can fully be represented in CDF - something that not even the most ardent of ODF jihadists would claim as an ODF capabilitiy. The truth is that ODF was not designed for the conversion of MSOffice binary and xml documents.

Tags: cdf ibm interop oasis odf ooxml opendocument openxml uic w3c on 02-06-2008 -Cached -About Shared by:Gary Edwards

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Tags: foundation interop ix odf odfix opendocument subset on 01-20-2008 -Cached -About Shared by:Gary Edwards

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Tags: australia cdf interop iso microsoft odf ooxml opendocument on 12-27-2007 -Cached -About Shared by:Gary Edwards

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Tags: cdf interop interoperability iso odef odf opendocument on 09-27-2007 -Cached -About Shared by:Gary Edwards

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