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One possibility is a set of information appliances.
posted by tony curzon price on 04-30-2008
- Would all our specific tasks be performed by appliances if the hobbyists' PC had not become mainstream? I doubt it - surely there is a strong economic driver for the general purpose machine: that you can share hardware costs between appliances. Remember the craze for reconfiguralbe mobile computing devices in 2000/2001?
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somehow
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one another.
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connect to it.
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networking
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Hush-A-Phone, which was invented in 1921 as a way to have a conversation without others nearby overhearing it
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- :)
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were sold.
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The court drolly noted, “[AT&T does] not challenge the subscriber’s right to seek privacy. They say only that he should achieve it by cupping his hand between the transmitter and his mouth and speaking in a low voice into this makeshift muffler
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- :)
  
  ATT's view of how to achieve privacy on its network
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small ways.
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phone network.
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The physical layer had become generative, and this generativity meant that additional types of activity in higher layers were made possible.
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- Was it easier to make the physical layer generative because ATT was a regualted monopolist? ie would it have been harder, possibly, with a disorganised, competitive market?
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services business
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THE PROPRIETARY NETWORK MODEL
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- I'm wondering how the notion of generativity relates to the anti-trust notion of "vertical restraint". There have been a number of thorny anti-trust cases relating to market power exercised through control of ertical market relationships - like service/nertwork/appliance. The classic case in UK anti-trust cases was Raleigh bicycles' refusal to supply supermarkets with their bikes ... The relationship is that if you have competition at every level of a supply chain, then the market _should_ deliver the generative opportunities. And if it does not, it is a question of regulating market power.
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themselves
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unchanged
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tinkering
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Why would the proprietary services not harness the potential generativity of their offerings by making their own servers more open to third-party coding?
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model prevailed.
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shopping
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free-for-all
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But none seemed prepared to budge from the business models built around their mainframes
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- I'd like a comment of the French Minitel model. I was a young programmer in Paris in 1987, and Minitel was a full-employemnt ticket for keyboard jocks .... especially, of course, the "Minitel Rose" .... The Minitel encouraged 3rd party apps, and th eproliferation of pornography alongside banking services was quite similar to Interneet circa 1997.
  
  The minitel even had PC hook-up apps, and quite fiddly ways of pulling data off the Minitel (eg bank statements) and integrating them in your accounts package.
  
  The Minitel could have worked, but did not, I would venture, because its lingua franca was French.
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who built them.
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possible.
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Jennings’s work
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annoyed person.
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the world
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FIDOnet
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services
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message
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points
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billion
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from them.
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network work.
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controlling it.
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tryout period
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access
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code for it.
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rust that at least some third-party software writers will write good and useful code, and trust that users of the device will be able to access and sort out the good and useful code from the bad
posted by tony curzon price on 05-04-2008
- Very reminiscent of the motor car. Many potential uses ... remember that Michelin, a tyre manufacturer, started writing guide books for travellers because 1. they wanted to get people to drive more and use more rubber and 2. wanted to make the open experience of arriving somewhere new at least somewhat predictable .... a restaurant is an app on the network of roads ...
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harmful code.
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approach
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Its origins can be found in a 1984 paper by Internet architects David Clark, David Reed, and Jerry Saltzer.
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- First (engineering) argument for network neutrality, maybe? the 1984 paper asking for only unversal features to be built into the network.
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requirements
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The people using this network of networks and configuring its endpoints had to be trusted to be more or less competent and pure enough at heart that they would not intentionally or negligently disrupt the network.
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- Environment of trust that allowed network to arise .. in general social-evolutioanry terms, this suggests that closed-ish groups that allow repetition-based behaviors to emerge might do better than isolated tit-for-tatters.
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persists today.
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Yet the assumption that network participants can be trusted, and indeed that they will be participants rather than customers, infuses the Internet’s design at nearly every level.
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- Internet assumes participants, not customers. This is the first sense of the Aristotelian argument ... man as "neworking zoon".
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an outsider.
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the IDs.
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User identification is left to individual Internet users and servers to sort out if they wish to demand credentials of some kind from those with whom they communicate.
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- If the proprietary networks were modeled on single businesses, the Internet was built as a mirror of society.
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contents
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regulation
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The person at the endpoint must instead rely on falling dominos of trust. The Internet is thus known as a “best efforts” network, sometimes rephrased as “Send it and pray” or “Every packet an adventure.”
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chapter
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environment
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dead end.
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ignore
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