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ODF Alliance Weblog: Microsoft's ODF Support Falls Short - 0 views

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Microsoft’s ODF Support Falls Short
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some of the so-called ‘plug-ins’ were revealed to provide better support for ODF than the recently released Microsoft Office 2007 SP2
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plug-ins for Microsoft Office written by third parties were revealed to provide better support for ODF than the recently released Microsoft Office 2007 SP2
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Sun Plug-In 3.0
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SourceForge “OpenXML/ODF Translator Add-in for Office
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fail when using the “built-in” support provided by Office 2007 SP2
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Orcmid's Lair: Microsoft ODF Interoperability Workshop - 0 views

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2008-08
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Microsoft's first built-in support
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approach to adding Open Document Format support directly into Office 2007
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the balancing act that Office-ODF interoperability requires
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interaction with the ODF community
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I saw no down side
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all ODF TC members who desired to come had a place
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absence of non-disclosure agreements
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a serious, open conversation is beginning
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five guiding principles that govern ODF support in Word, Excel, and PowerPoint
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priorities that apply in making trade-offs
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balancing of different interests: standards groups, corporations, institutions, government agencies, regulatory bodies, and general users
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Balancing of competing considerations is not trivial
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current OpenOffice.org implementations fail to check whether a formula conforms to its own extension
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the central feature of typical document processing software is the internal, in-memory representation of the software's document model
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features may be lost on output
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features may be lost on input
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rely on features that succeed with the internal representation
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degraded or lost entirely in the chosen external representation
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losing some of them when saving
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Florian Reuter argued an interesting gracefully-failing extension technique that, on reflection, I believe could avoid breaking changes against earlier ODF specifications of namespaces, their elements and their attributes too
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an application being quite friendly with its own ODF but not with that of other significant implementations
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discussions did not arrive at conclusions
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Graham Perrin on 13 May 09

I read this more than a year after the event but still, it's interesting.

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Doug Mahugh : Guiding principles for Office's ODF implementation - 0 views

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August 08
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Guiding Principles
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Adhere to the ODF 1.1 Standard
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Be Predictable
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Preserve User Intent
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Preserve Editability
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Preserve Visual Fidelity
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Doug Mahugh : 1 + 2 = 1? - 0 views

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five prioritized guiding principles for Office’s ODF implementation
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When Will Office Support OpenFormula?
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nobody knows yet when ODF 1.2 will be published as an OASIS or ISO standard
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risk that the results might not be the same
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Open XML / ODF Translator Add-Ins for Office can be used with Office 2007 SP2
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Sun ODF Plugin
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apparently works with SP2
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Where is there an end of it? | Notes on Document Conformance and Portability #3 - 0 views

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a calm look at some of the issues
- Graham Perrin on 13 May 09
  
  Still, not all of the subsequent comments are calm…
  
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Microsoft’s implementation decision
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on the face of it
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an implementation of ODF which does not interoperate with other available implementations
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some real problems with basic spreadsheet interoperability among ODF products using undocumented extensions
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abandoning the “convention”
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more or less
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these ODF implementations have limited interoperability
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unsafe for any mission-critical data
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ODF implementations can actually cut it,
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legacy support as an option
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this interoperability fiasco has been allowed to happen within the context of a standard
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behave better
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in the interests of the users
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good news
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work is underway to fix this problem: ODF 1.2
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people may disagree in good faith
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does not, in fact, conform
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Rob’s statement that “SP2's implementation
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is mistaken on this point
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no grounds for complacency about the sufficiency of the ODF specification
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keen to see defects, such as conformance loopholes, fixed in the next published ODF standard
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I urge all other true supporters to read the drafts and give feedback to make ODF better for the benefit of everyone
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Microsoft is the only one of seven main ODF implementations that fail to achieve interoperability in ODF formulas
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Doug Mahugh : Working with ODF in Word 2007 SP2 - 0 views

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ODF in Word 2007 SP2
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Service Pack 2 for Office 2007
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You can make ODF the default
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ODF can’t represent 100% of the things we can do in Word
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differences between the default line-spacing
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and a flow-oriented layout
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ODF or Open XML
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work well for dynamic editing
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flow-oriented format during document authoring and editing
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fixed-layout format for published documents
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differences in Word and OpenOffice’s default styling for hyperlinks
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longer in OpenOffice
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text-wrap margins around the inserted image also differ
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decided to not implement tracked changes
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indents were incorrect
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Office SP2 .docx to .odt is the best
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OOo developers
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further improvements planned/started for 3.2
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version 3.1 will solve several problems
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Update on ODF Spreadsheet Interoperability
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  http://www.robweir.com/blog/2009/05/update-on-odf-spreadsheet.html
  
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spreadsheets that can be manipulated with MS Office ONLY
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An Antic Disposition: A follow-up on Excel 2007 SP2's ODF support - 0 views

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A follow-up on Excel 2007 SP2's ODF support
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conformance is neither necessary nor sufficient for to achieve interoperability
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interoperability is most efficiently achieved by conformance to an open standard
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requirements which must be met to achieve interoperability
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SP2 has reduced the level of interoperability among ODF spreadsheets
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failing to produce conforming ODF documents
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failing to take note of the spreadsheet formula conventions
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Alliance

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An Antic Disposition: Update on ODF Spreadsheet Interoperability - 0 views

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Update on ODF Spreadsheet Interoperability
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two months since I did that analysis
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OpenOffice 3.01
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Sun ODF Plugin is now at version 3.0
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Microsoft Office 2007 SP2 has been released, with integrated ODF support
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Microsoft Office 2007 SP2
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Excel SP2 silently strips out formulas
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errors and data loss
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An Antic Disposition: OpenDocument Format: The Standard for Office Documents - 0 views

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OpenDocument Format: The Standard for Office Documents
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published in IEEE Internet Computing
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introduction to ODF, what it is, where it came from and why it is important
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itools.odf: An Office Document Translation infrastrucure - 0 views

www.hforge.org/odf

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IBM, Sun Microsystems Launch ODF Toolkit Union To Grow Adoption, Community and Software Inn... - 0 views

www.sun.com/...sunflash.20081105.3.xml

ODF

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FAQ: Office 14 and Microsoft's support for ODF - 0 views

www.computerworld.com/...article.do

ODF Microsoft

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Graham Perrin on 21 Oct 08

Another relatively old (May 2008) article for me to read…

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opendocument.foundation - The OpenDocument Foundation - 0 views

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ODF Microsoft convert

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daVinci
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There are two product lines under development; the da Vinci class of ODF plugins for Microsoft Office (for versions 97, 2000 and 2003), and, the ODF InfoSet Engine and APi. The former is for users to create and edit ODF files in their existing Microsoft Office installations and the latter is for application developers needing a lightweight but extremely powerful ODF-centric universal conversion and layout engine.
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Microsoft boosts support for rival formats in Office | Tech news blog - CNET News - 0 views

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ODF Microsoft

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ODF/OOXML technical white paper - 0 views

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odf ooxml

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Graham Perrin on 16 Oct 08

Interesting reading.

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