I just saved a bookmark to a group that had previously been saved by another group member. When I saved it I used just a single tag. Now it seems that that single tag has replaced the three tags the other group member had used when they saved the bookmark. I would have expected my tag to have been added to the tags in the group. Is this a bug or a (undesirable) feature?
Thanks for your very quick response. I'm impressed.
" .. who is the owner ..."
The Group is. Or should be. As far as I can see, when I bookmark a site and save it to a group, two copies of that bookmark are created. One in my bookmarks and one in the group bookmarks. The copy in the group bookmarks should not 'belong' to me. It should now 'belong' to the group. In this case, I think it would be much more useful if the tags were additive rather than 'the last person to save the bookmark defines the tags'. That way you get to build a picture of how the group tags bookmarks rather than how the last person to save it tags bookmarks. I still have 'my' copy which shows how I tagged it.
Now I understand what the current behaviour is, I can watch out for it. But could I make a feature request for the future that when saving a previously saved bookmark to a group, the tags are added to the existing bookmarks rather than replace them.
More recently (March 2009) I repeated the suggestion that for group content (topics), removal/edition of tags must be disallowed: http://www.diigo.com/05ikk
Well, I was very impressed by the very quick response to my query initially, but now I'm less impressed that there has been no further response to mine and Graham's input. So will my suggestion be added to any feature request list?
I have no idea of dates, but I would hope to receive notice well in advance of the date. I guess, an announcement here (in this forum) and at the blog http://blog.diigo.com/
(Advance notice … so that users of Diigo Educator Accounts don't find themselves using a different version of Diigo mid-way through a class, and so on.)
Comparing (a) Diigolet 3.1b523 with (b) Diigo 3.1.6.13 extending Firefox: I wondered whether recommended or suggested tags, in the latter, might reduce the risk of dataloss.
When a person copies (shares) a group a bookmark that is already within the group:
* service should default to add (append) not overwrite tags.
Comparing behaviour in my library with behaviour in groups
As the default is visibly improved in pro edit (management) view for my library, when revising tags for selected (checked/ticked) bookmarks, so I assume that it will be possible to change the server-side default for 'group conflicts'.
— comparable to the visible default option [*] Add additional tags to selected items that appears in the Revise tags dialogue in pro edit display mode (management view). Priority
I'll occasionally nudge this one to the surface, to the forefront of the group.
Context
Of all the topics that I have followed in the past twelve months, this dataloss issue is the last remaining bug to be resolved, before I proceed to recommend Diigo - without hesitation - to my own colleagues for collaborative group work without complications.
I agree that this is a major problem that tags get over-written when multiple people in a group share the same bookmark. I would like to see a collation of data - list everyone who has shared the bookmark and all of the associated tags with the bookmark. It would also be nice to allow group members to add tags to bookmarks already shared with the group. It seems that now only the group administrator has that ability.
* the group meta view of a group bookmark primarily draws attention to highlights and notes from members of the group
* in that view: if you scroll down carefully within the small lower part of Diigo Meta, you'll see that the history tab names every Diigo user who has a public bookmark of the item, along with each person's tagging etc..
> allow group members to add tags to bookmarks already shared with the group
That's implicit within the suggestion at http://groups.diigo.com/group/Diigo_HQ/content/956964#13 in that addition (not loss) should occur when the group member copies (shares) to the group - regardless of who else has shared. But I agree, there should be a more obvious method of addition of tags, I suggest:
This is not a bug. The second bookmark will replace the first one.
If we show all tags in this bookmark, who is the owner of this bookmark?
" .. who is the owner ..."
The Group is. Or should be. As far as I can see, when I bookmark a site and save it to a group, two copies of that bookmark are created. One in my bookmarks and one in the group bookmarks. The copy in the group bookmarks should not 'belong' to me. It should now 'belong' to the group. In this case, I think it would be much more useful if the tags were additive rather than 'the last person to save the bookmark defines the tags'. That way you get to build a picture of how the group tags bookmarks rather than how the last person to save it tags bookmarks. I still have 'my' copy which shows how I tagged it.
Now I understand what the current behaviour is, I can watch out for it. But could I make a feature request for the future that when saving a previously saved bookmark to a group, the tags are added to the existing bookmarks rather than replace them.
I think it's undesirable; tags are too easily lost (overwritten).
Loss of data is never acceptable, and it's more frustrating when there is no undo.
The problem was noted a few months ago, http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/group-view-of-annotations-excludes-annotations-that-are-public-8588#3
More recently (March 2009) I repeated the suggestion that for group content (topics), removal/edition of tags must be disallowed: http://www.diigo.com/05ikk
I just discovered that the original description is lost (overwritten) without warning.
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(Advance notice … so that users of Diigo Educator Accounts don't find themselves using a different version of Diigo mid-way through a class, and so on.)
Apparently not. Test results http://groups.diigo.com/Diigo_HQ/forum/topic/existing-group-tags-for-a-bookmark-are-missing-from-tags-and-recommended-tags-in-bookmark-dialogue-45984 show that recommended tags do not include existing tags.
When a person copies (shares) a group a bookmark that is already within the group:
* service should default to add (append) not overwrite tags.
Comparing behaviour in my library with behaviour in groups
As the default is visibly improved in pro edit (management) view for my library, when revising tags for selected (checked/ticked) bookmarks, so I assume that it will be possible to change the server-side default for 'group conflicts'.
Solution: silently default to append tags
— comparable to the visible default option
[*] Add additional tags to selected items
that appears in the Revise tags dialogue in pro edit display mode (management view).
Priority
I'll occasionally nudge this one to the surface, to the forefront of the group.
Context
Of all the topics that I have followed in the past twelve months, this dataloss issue is the last remaining bug to be resolved, before I proceed to recommend Diigo - without hesitation - to my own colleagues for collaborative group work without complications.
(Have I used the right buzzwords there? ;)
Cheers
Graham
> and all of the associated tags with the bookmark
Diigo Meta
fulfilshas the potential to fulfil this requirement, but from within a group the route to Meta is not easy. Please enable e-mail notification for the following topic:Each group bookmark should provide a link to its contextual view (should NOT take the user OUT of Diigo!)
Postscript
To clarify:
* the group meta view of a group bookmark primarily draws attention to highlights and notes from members of the group
* in that view: if you scroll down carefully within the small lower part of Diigo Meta, you'll see that the history tab names every Diigo user who has a public bookmark of the item, along with each person's tagging etc..
That's implicit within the suggestion at http://groups.diigo.com/group/Diigo_HQ/content/956964#13 in that addition (not loss) should occur when the group member copies (shares) to the group - regardless of who else has shared. But I agree, there should be a more obvious method of addition of tags, I suggest:
* the group meta view of a group bookmark should allow all members of the group to add tags.
Post to Diigo: overwrites existing tags
in which personal tags are lost (overwritten). Again, the suggestion:
Solution: silently default to append tags.
Cross referencing: http://groups.diigo.com/group/Diigo_HQ/content/tag/956964+986916
http://groups.diigo.com/group/Diigo_HQ/content/tag/956964+986916+999099